North Korea

dstudent

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The reality is of course that this is essentially a stand-off between the USA and China. North Korea is just the catalyst. The USA has basically backed China into a tight corner. If China does not effectively crush the aspirations of NK to have nuclear weapons and the means of delivering them, Trump will turn the screws on Chinese trade and will almost certainly take military action in that area. Even against China.
You seem to think the USA has China over the barrel, whereas it is completly the other way around, rtrump does not have a clue about economy or how trades agreements or the markets work and by the way China holds over a trillion dollars of USA debt. So you see for all his talk rtrump better be nice to China(y)
Who has the de facto capacity to destebalize the USA economy
 
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turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
You seem to think the USA has China over the barrel, whereas it is completly the other way around, rtrump does not have a clue about economy or how trades agreements or the markets work and by the way China holds over a trillion dollars of USA debt. So you see for all his talk rtrump better be nice to China(y)
Who has the de facto capacity to destebalize the USA economy
Why?
 

Clever Dic

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Location
Melton
You seem to think the USA has China over the barrel, whereas it is completly the other way around, rtrump does not have a clue about economy or how trades agreements or the markets work and by the way China holds over a trillion dollars of USA debt. So you see for all his talk rtrump better be nice to China(y)
Who has the de facto capacity to destebalize the USA economy
Without the US buying Chinese goods and therby allowing living standard to keep rising in a one party totalitarian state it is China and it's government that is more susceptible to a economic disaster.
Have you noticed how worried China is by dissent internally? You get locked up and shot. China executed more people than the rest of the world put together.
 

arbel

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Location
Pembrokeshire
You seem to think the USA has China over the barrel, whereas it is completly the other way around, rtrump does not have a clue about economy or how trades agreements or the markets work and by the way China holds over a trillion dollars of USA debt. So you see for all his talk rtrump better be nice to China(y)
Who has the de facto capacity to destebalize the USA economy
Exactly - China holds billions in USA debt!! And what happens to debt once countries engage in military action against each other?
You don't really believe that Trump is running the USA do you? It's the guys behind him that are in control, with the military starting to flex their muscles. Same old, same old!
In the event that the USA and China do have a go at each other, it would not necessarily be a nuclear engagement. The USA would run rings around the Chinese, the former being somewhat battle hardened by other events. Don't assume that Chinese technology is on a par with that of the USA. Believe me, it isn't.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
Exactly - China holds billions in USA debt!! And what happens to debt once countries engage in military action against each other?
You don't really believe that Trump is running the USA do you? It's the guys behind him that are in control, with the military starting to flex their muscles. Same old, same old!
In the event that the USA and China do have a go at each other, it would not necessarily be a nuclear engagement. The USA would run rings around the Chinese, the former being somewhat battle hardened by other events. Don't assume that Chinese technology is on a par with that of the USA. Believe me, it isn't.

Any war between the US and China will most likely be fought by computer scientists battling to bring down each others economies and infrastructure. But this would be done in a controlled manner so as not to unduly damage themselves. In fact it's probably already happening.:eek:
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
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lincs
No research it @turbo google is your friend(y) I ve learnt in the past that u tend to disregard any evidence such as reports researches data that I produce, so what s the use? Research it , (y)
I Have always been under the impression if you ow someone a pound its your problem but if you ow someone a million it's there problem,just because China has bought all the debts dosnt give them any control over trump but if they were to stop buying it now it could cause a problem if trump wants to fallow on spending like the dems did
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
Exactly - China holds billions in USA debt!! And what happens to debt once countries engage in military action against each other?
You don't really believe that Trump is running the USA do you? It's the guys behind him that are in control, with the military starting to flex their muscles. Same old, same old!
In the event that the USA and China do have a go at each other, it would not necessarily be a nuclear engagement. The USA would run rings around the Chinese, the former being somewhat battle hardened by other events. Don't assume that Chinese technology is on a par with that of the USA. Believe me, it isn't.
when was the last time the USA went to war with a nuclear power ?
 

dstudent

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[Q
when was the last time the USA went to war with a nuclear power ?
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I think there is still this belief that the USA is the only major power in the world, no it isn't , this ain t the 80s any more, it is not more the case that they say jump and the rest of the world says how high, the balance of power has shifted, the economic forces which really control the world will ensure business as usual. rtrump is just a puppet the Russians and Chinese are having a laugh, but ultimately the big multinationals and transnational govern the USA, they are behind the curtains, dealing and wheeling, these are the people China and Russia will deal with, the rest is just smoke and mirrors.
North Korea is a diversion right now(y)
 
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arbel

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Pembrokeshire
The Chinese economy is not as buoyant as they like to portray. Lots of problems there at present, with Xi Jinping struggling to keep a lid on it all.

Foreign trade is falling as work returns back to the Western nations. Unemployment is starting to be an issue. In some sectors, wages are actually falling. Big problems with energy production and the need to satisfy public demand for less pollution. Over heated property markets. Issues with Islamics in the Xinjiang region. Plus a very dangerous neighbour on its north eastern border. A showdown with the USA is the very last thing the Chinese government wants at present.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
It was a very close run thing when Kennedy had a face off with Khrushchev in the Cuban crisis. It's only a matter of time before someone presses the button.
so never then
I don't think they will go to war with china in a hurry, the odd bit of messing about and show boating maybe but nart serious cos they know they will get some back
when was the last time the yanks had a war on there own land ?
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
so never then
I don't think they will go to war with china in a hurry, the odd bit of messing about and show boating maybe but nart serious cos they know they will get some back
when was the last time the yanks had a war on there own land ?
1943, Aleutian Islands campaign against the Japanese. Prior to that 1941 Pearl Harbour.(y)
 

dstudent

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The Chinese economy is not as buoyant as they like to portray. Lots of problems there at present, with Xi Jinping struggling to keep a lid on it all.

Foreign trade is falling as work returns back to the Western nations. Unemployment is starting to be an issue. In some sectors, wages are actually falling. Big problems with energy production and the need to satisfy public demand for less pollution. Over heated property markets. Issues with Islamics in the Xinjiang region. Plus a very dangerous neighbour on its north eastern border. A showdown with the USA is the very last thing the Chinese government wants at present.
I can agree with this general assesment, aside with jobs coming back to Western nations. There has been an increase in robotization which will influence employment but still China is the number 1 economy in the world and it s very adept at play the market at its own advantage. It s investing heavely on green energy and environmental projects. plus consider this the US economy is strech very thin its military budget is immense, 2 full time wars and a few more on the go, billions upon billions and more coming wasted in its military, and yes I say wasted. An economy which although on the rise it is not at China's level. An addiction to cheap products, the majority of US companies dependent on cheap manufacturing and labou from China. rtrump just did away with environmental policies, coal jobs are not coming back, an highly divided nation, women's and workers' rights being eroded every time he puts a cross on a piece of paper, relations with Mexico at lowest point. Huffing and puffing a diplomatic does not make.
 

alex04w

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Co Antrim
You seem to think the USA has China over the barrel, whereas it is completly the other way around, rtrump does not have a clue about economy or how trades agreements or the markets work and by the way China holds over a trillion dollars of USA debt. So you see for all his talk rtrump better be nice to China(y)
Who has the de facto capacity to destebalize the USA economy

You claim to be the voice of reason and reasonableness. However, when you cannot call a person by their name it shows that you are clearly speaking from a position of prejudice and total disrespect.

What is with the name and why can you not use his proper name?
 

rob1

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wiltshire
I can agree with this general assesment, aside with jobs coming back to Western nations. There has been an increase in robotization which will influence employment but still China is the number 1 economy in the world and it s very adept at play the market at its own advantage. It s investing heavely on green energy and environmental projects. plus consider this the US economy is strech very thin its military budget is immense, 2 full time wars and a few more on the go, billions upon billions and more coming wasted in its military, and yes I say wasted. An economy which although on the rise it is not at China's level. An addiction to cheap products, the majority of US companies dependent on cheap manufacturing and labou from China. rtrump just did away with environmental policies, coal jobs are not coming back, an highly divided nation, women's and workers' rights being eroded every time he puts a cross on a piece of paper, relations with Mexico at lowest point. Huffing and puffing a diplomatic does not make.

Why do you claim china is the No1 economy its not and never has been,its has 14% against the US at 24%,if you get confused by such simple and easily googled facts it is hard to take anything you say seriously
 

dstudent

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Why do you claim china is the No1 economy its not and never has been,its has 14% against the US at 24%,if you get confused by such simple and easily googled facts it is hard to take anything you say seriously
Google again(y);) number 1 economy(y) there are different systems used to asses a country' s economy. My understanding is that China is right now the no 1 economy. Again China is very good at manipolating the markets(y)
 
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I can agree with this general assesment, aside with jobs coming back to Western nations. There has been an increase in robotization which will influence employment but still China is the number 1 economy in the world and it s very adept at play the market at its own advantage. It s investing heavely on green energy and environmental projects. plus consider this the US economy is strech very thin its military budget is immense, 2 full time wars and a few more on the go, billions upon billions and more coming wasted in its military, and yes I say wasted. An economy which although on the rise it is not at China's level. An addiction to cheap products, the majority of US companies dependent on cheap manufacturing and labou from China. rtrump just did away with environmental policies, coal jobs are not coming back, an highly divided nation, women's and workers' rights being eroded every time he puts a cross on a piece of paper, relations with Mexico at lowest point. Huffing and puffing a diplomatic does not make.


I don't agree with you assessment of China at all.

Most high tech is Taiwan and USA, with the USA the top dog by far.

USA companies, like most other companies, farm out manufacturing to the cheapest solution worldwide. It doesn't have to be China but it currently is.

Other than assembling tat what else is China good for ?
 

rob1

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Location
wiltshire
Google again(y);) number 1 economy(y) there are different systems used to asses a country' s economy. My understanding is that China is right now the no 1 economy. Again China is very good at manipolating the markets(y)
Only one I found that claimed that and that was 3 years ago everyone else says its not, but hey why let facts get in the way
 

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