Northern Ireland Milk Price Tracker

[The Agrarian]

For what it's worth, I didn't vote, because I didn't feel sufficiently well enough informed to answer the question. I couldn't know how, but i knew it was bound to be massively complicated, and a job for MPs to thrash out in the proper place for this sort of thing - parliament.

What struck me soon after the referendum was that the EU was never going to let us leave with a good deal.

A big part of this deal is of course the border. And while it doesn't affect me directly, I do respect that it would affect others, and would be very bad for the union indeed if it was to be hardened significantly.

We are at a dead end with this current agreement. The prime minister has probably got the best deal that she, or anyone else possibly could out of the EU. That's not to say it's good - considering they aren't going to give us a good deal without a lot of leverage being applied. And we didn't really have much to use. It's probably the least bad, is a better way of putting it.

Going forward, a part of me does wonder if we should go ahead and scrap it and call their bluff. There have been two and a half years of considerable rhetoric built up regarding the border and the peace process. 29th of May comes and we leave, with nothing other than an obligation to impose no controls on the border. The EU will be under massive, and i mean massive pressure not to do anything that creates a hard border. That might actually open the door to a much more equitable process of negotiation. Could we have got it from the beginning? No. We first had to go through long periods of stalemate and get the deal we've got at this late stage. Republic of Ireland would be in very big diffs with a no deal, as would we, so I could see an emergency extension of trading arrangements while trade negotiations got under way.

 

[mixed farm]

Better getting back in the uk!

I think that'd be a hard sell!

 

[Turboman]

Hard Brexit needed. Pay no divorce bill. Walk away with a no deal and it won't take long for the EU to come begging for a deal. And for N.I.? Well it should leave with the rest of UK and with ROI on its knees then the EU can grant special status to ROI so it can trade with N.I. to save ROI from going bankrupt. If the EU gives special status to ROI then that will solve the border issue. But to put all the wheels in motion we first have to leave with a no deal.

 

[mixed farm]

Hard Brexit needed. Pay no divorce bill. Walk away with a no deal and it won't take long for the EU to come begging for a deal. And for N.I.? Well it should leave with the rest of UK and with ROI on its knees then the EU can grant special status to ROI so it can trade with N.I. to save ROI from going bankrupt. If the EU gives special status to ROI then that will solve the border issue. But to put all the wheels in motion we first have to leave with a no deal.

I think this is delusional turbo. There's more to the world than the UK. Do you think that 500 million in the eu need the 65 million in the UK more than the other way around? Maybe a no deal will work out well for Britain but to think that the world will fall apart with out the UK and beg them to come back is ridiculous.

 

[The Agrarian]

No, not at all. The EU would happily let us (the UK) swing. We've no illusions of grandeur.

I think the 'peace process' (whatever it is that exactly means) is potentially a big stick in a no deal exit. Who's going to harden the border on their side first? Who's going to make the first move? ROI? EU? UK?

 

[yin ewe]

I think this is delusional turbo. There's more to the world than the UK. Do you think that 500 million in the eu need the 65 million in the UK more than the other way around? Maybe a no deal will work out well for Britain but to think that the world will fall apart with out the UK and beg them to come back is ridiculous.

You are right the EU doesn't need the UK- but it does need its money. Who is going to fill the hole that will be left when the UK depart? the divorce settlement will tide them over for a couple of years then what?

 

[yin ewe]

No, not at all. The EU would happily let us (the UK) swing. We've no illusions of grandeur.

I think the 'peace process' (whatever it is that exactly means) is potentially a big stick in a no deal exit. Who's going to harden the border on their side first? Who's going to make the first move? ROI? EU? UK?

I'd have thought that the EU would need to stop substandard products coming from/through the UK and getting into its territory so they would have more need to provide border checks?

 

[The Agrarian]

A while back, the EU made a big show of their unwavering support and backing for ROI. We'd have to see if they'd be prepared to throw ROI and the peace on the island under the proverbial bus.

 

[yin ewe]

A while back, the EU made a big show of their unwavering support and backing for ROI. We'd have to see if they'd be prepared to throw ROI and the peace on the island under the proverbial bus.

I think it's NI that has been thrown under the bus by Thersa May!!

 

[The Agrarian]

Mmmm. If there was going to be any deal achieved, it was going to involve lots of compromise. And we, manning the outpost, were going to be top of the list of compromises.

 

[Happy at it]

Back to the cows. Is anyone else finding their cows are inhaling silage this year. Getting their fill of meal but just can't keep it in front of them......

 

[The Agrarian]

Good silage intake's a good thing

 

[Mouser]

Back to the cows. Is anyone else finding their cows are inhaling silage this year. Getting their fill of meal but just can't keep it in front of them......

Probably cos its so damn good! Just give them what they need, they won't starve if they're red up for an hour or two!

 

[it's not over]

Probably cos its so damn good! Just give them what they need, they won't starve if they're red up for an hour or two!

Not much milk in licking concrete

 

[Aircooled]

I think this is delusional turbo. There's more to the world than the UK. Do you think that 500 million in the eu need the 65 million in the UK more than the other way around? Maybe a no deal will work out well for Britain but to think that the world will fall apart with out the UK and beg them to come back is ridiculous.

When your taoiseach said yesterday that unionists had nothing to worry about.......

 

[mixed farm]

When your taoiseach said yesterday that unionists had nothing to worry about.......

There does seem a train of thought out there that ROI is responsible if a no deal happens but if that's true well Europe is a great place, that a small country of less than 5million can drive such a good bargain. I think if a no deal happens it's because of unrealistic expectations. I listened to Sammy Wilson last night and felt he was driving a wedge between North and South again. I'm pretty sure that I've more in common with a unionist farmer than a nationalist van driver. So yeah Leo is right, i think economically northern Ireland would be better served with the current deal. I do know this is a farming forum so i don't want to get over political. Had my 1st over 4.1% protein test this week

 

[Mouser]

Not much milk in licking concrete

Better an hour every day than a fortnight beginning of April though!

 

[Turboman]

The EU will have a hole in its wallet that's a fact when the UK leave. CAP subsidies will be cut for sure to help stem the bleeding across the EU. The EU as a whole might struggle on ok without the UK but as far as individual EU member states go Ireland will be very very badly hit with a no deal. It will be much worse off than UK. Even the Irish economists know this. But for some reason they remain quiet on the matter. Probably because the EU has told Ireland to keep its mouth closed in the hope of a tough stance from Brussels will do the trick without ROI lobbying.

Fact is UK is Irelands largest customer. The amount of dairy , beef, and forestry products going to the UK is staggering. If ROI are faced with WTO tariffs and a certain reduction in CAP support its economy will collapse. The economically best move would be for ROI to seek it's own deal with the UK which given the political struggles of the two countries will probably never happen. Hence why I said on my previous post that the EU should grant special status for ROI to trade with the UK.

 

[The Agrarian]

. Hence why I said on my previous post that the EU should grant special status for ROI to trade with the UK.

Would be a very interesting prospect for our indigenous UK dairy products if that weren't to come to pass. Not so good going the other way if you're a sheep farmer though.

 

[mixed farm]

The EU will have a hole in its wallet that's a fact when the UK leave. CAP subsidies will be cut for sure to help stem the bleeding across the EU. The EU as a whole might struggle on ok without the UK but as far as individual EU member states go Ireland will be very very badly hit with a no deal. It will be much worse off than UK. Even the Irish economists know this. But for some reason they remain quiet on the matter. Probably because the EU has told Ireland to keep its mouth closed in the hope of a tough stance from Brussels will do the trick without ROI lobbying.

Fact is UK is Irelands largest customer. The amount of dairy , beef, and forestry products going to the UK is staggering. If ROI are faced with WTO tariffs and a certain reduction in CAP support its economy will collapse. The economically best move would be for ROI to seek it's own deal with the UK which given the political struggles of the two countries will probably never happen. Hence why I said on my previous post that the EU should grant special status for ROI to trade with the UK.

This is back to Sammy Wilson again "Ireland is doomed I tell you, doomed"! And that the north will suffer but it's ok , cause the south will suffer too! It will have a huge affect on Ireland but let you worry about British problems turbo. I think this myopic view is what for ye in to this mess to start with. That somehow the world will be in trouble with out the UK as in how could the rest of us simple Europeans manage without the great empire?