Not another one

[toquark]

Ok, so I know its the daily mail and I'm certainly no expert in dairy bull calf rearing but either way this doesn't look good.

Wetherspoon, Tesco and Lidl ban beef from farm amid evidence cruelty

EXCLUSIVE Secret filming showed stockmen beating and abusing animals. The images were captured at Berryfields Farm, Daventry. The farm has been suspended from the Red Tractor scheme.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Widgetone]

So why does this STILL happen ( or does it )

 

[7610 super q]

How big is the " mega " farm ?

 

[Doc]

I can’t ever see outdoor feeding yards working aesthetically in GB. It’s simply too wet.
These images are precisely why the consumer is sceptical about intensive, large and believed to be industrial production units.

 

[le bon paysan]

How big is the " mega " farm ?

If its the 1 I'm thinking of,was couple thousand acres years ago.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I can’t ever see outdoor feeding yards working aesthetically in GB. It’s simply too wet.
These images are precisely why the consumer is sceptical about intensive, large and believed to be industrial production units.

Cows do like a bit of shelter and don't like sitting in their own excrement.

 

[toquark]

I can’t ever see outdoor feeding yards working aesthetically in GB. It’s simply too wet.
These images are precisely why the consumer is sceptical about intensive, large and believed to be industrial production units.

I understand that scale is probably necessary to ensure the viability of bull calf finishing but it doesn't have to look like this. Even inside the sheds look grim, have they never heard of slats or scrapers?

 

[toquark]

Second top comment on the article:

"This encourages me to go vegan so much. How can anyone feel proud contributing to this? It's so easy once it's on the plate but this makes me sick the fact they're treated so badly. I am an animal lover regardless of the fact I've eaten meat my whole life, they have a right to be killed as humanely as possible and if that's not the case I'm not supporting this anymore."

Remember this isn't the Guardian playing to its audience.

 

[JCMaloney]

"However, they are now an increasingly important source of cheap beef in the catering, takeaway and supermarket trade. "

There is the problem. If W`spoons want to put a steak on a plate for £10 and everyone else wants to make a profit............

If that steak is £15 it doesn`t happen.

 

[Jimfandango]

"However, they are now an increasingly important source of cheap beef in the catering, takeaway and supermarket trade. "

There is the problem. If W`spoons want to put a steak on a plate for £10 and everyone else wants to make a profit............

If that steak is £15 it doesn`t happen.

If that steak is £15 it doesn`t happen.
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Exactly. Principles cost money. The more consumers and thus supermarkets drive down prices, the more these sorts of things happen.

 

[Lackey]

Second top comment on the article:

"This encourages me to go vegan so much. How can anyone feel proud contributing to this? It's so easy once it's on the plate but this makes me sick the fact they're treated so badly. I am an animal lover regardless of the fact I've eaten meat my whole life, they have a right to be killed as humanely as possible and if that's not the case I'm not supporting this anymore."

Remember this isn't the Guardian playing to its audience.

Got to say I agree with the comment. I wouldn't feel proud or comfortable working there, as far as I'm concerned it's our job to do our best by the animals until they go off to slaughter.
I wonder why these people work in farming at all and also how they keep their jobs, as I don't believe other people working there would be completely surprised to see what has been happening.

 

[RAF]

I buy a lot off feed off them and it’s very good stuff. It’s society today it’s f##ked. Bad bred

 

[Doc]

I’m afraid I disagree with the above.
It has nothing to do with principles and money. If it’s not right, it’s not right.
If you can’t make it work in a reasonable manner, don’t do it. Simple.
I know that the reply will be that they will simply source it cheaply from elsewhere (abroad), and that the same old ‘but then you get poor standards’ mantra will be wheeled out. Well, these standards are unacceptable and reflect on the whole industry here devaluing your attempt at establishing a point of difference.

 

[J 1177]

Looks a shite hole sorry but I refuse to keep bulls like that. If that's all I could manage, a few slop filled pens made with crash barrier, I wouldn't bother.
I know of one or two outdoor corals and they don't look like that mess.

 

[thesilentone]

How the hell did such a sxxt hole get Red Tractor accredited in the first place ??

No wonder the Supermarkets don't take it seriously.

 

[RAF]

I think they call it progress

 

[David.]

If it wasn't like it, they couldn't film it, shitholes like this should be shut down.
Undermines any credibility that RT might have, presumably the UFAS certification that they must hold as a purveyor of fine feeds is equally robust.
And the "nothing to do with me guv, they're somebody else's" comment at the end

 

[Bogweevil]

Weak management
Lack of training

Ok, so I know its the daily mail and I'm certainly no expert in dairy bull calf rearing but either way this doesn't look good.

Wetherspoon, Tesco and Lidl ban beef from farm amid evidence cruelty

EXCLUSIVE Secret filming showed stockmen beating and abusing animals. The images were captured at Berryfields Farm, Daventry. The farm has been suspended from the Red Tractor scheme.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And there is more...

Starving pigs are resorting to cannibalism at 'high standards' farm

Undercover investigators from animal welfare group Viva! planted cameras at Flat House Farm in Lutterworth, Leicestershire, which is home to around 8,000 pigs between March and July.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Starving pigs are caught on film resorting to cannibalism in a shocking catalogue of neglect unveiled at 'high standards' farm

• Workers seen on film brutally killing piglets at Flat House Farm, Leicestershire
• Activists at animal rights group placed cameras at farm home to 8,000 pigs
• Footage depicts dead animals left to rot and being eaten by the surviving pigs
• WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT

By COLIN FERNANDEZ ENVIRONMENT CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL

PUBLISHED: 00:47, 24 August 2020 | UPDATED: 10:46, 25 August 2020

 

[RAF]

What goes on in the minds off these people ??? Do they not read or see pics in farmers weekly and such and think , oh hang on a min mine don’t look like that

 

[Doc]

In a bizarre way I think Farm assurance hides a lot of problems.
If you have the boxes ticked, you must be ok right?
The two most miserable places I’ve been on- one an SA approved organic unit and the other RT assured dairy.