Notifying the right authorities about AN fertiliser storage

[colhonk]

You people still giving these parasites your hard earned for zero return?. All these ships that are bringing in cheap grains at the moment will not have a red tractor stickers on them.

 

[Hindsight]

Notifying the fire service is straight forward enough. It’s the HSE that I can’t find a contact for.

Just send an email to HSE generic email address and keep copy of your sent email. Anything to keep a Red Tractor inspector happy or confused - both states are fine. And it will make HSE office staff work sorting out the email. So another win. There now what next do I sort out - ah, yes - the advent calendar - I am a day later. You getting thick wooly socks and a new hat for Xmas now you are within a sniff of the the Arctic Circle.

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[Highland Mule]

I tried a few years ago and after going roung 15 different numbers on hold, got told they had no idea what i was talking about and hung up

Presumably you can afford a stamp? The website has the form and the addresses it should be sent to.

 

[Bald Rick]

I was pulled up by my Red Tractor inspector for this - not notifying the HSE and local Fire & Rescue Service about >25t of AN fertiliser in a building. I had got a bit behind, having only handled liquid fertiliser for years with no such requirements.

Writing a letter to the FRS is easy enough & I have the details for them. Who else? The HSE guidance just says the "enforcing authority" without any detail on who this might be! Any tips please?

Who actually does this notification, out of interest? I've always notified the FRS in the past but that's it.

Don’t forget the Real IRA or the Provos depending which way you swing.

 

[farmerm]

A couple of years ago I phoned Devon & Somerset Fire service to tell them about the Fert stored on the farm. They basically said thank you, but as soon as we know that we are going to a working farm we assume that there will be fertiliser there, and work accordingly.
So since then I've not phoned them, but noted my phone call with the RT file. So far everyone has been happy.
It sounds like there is quite a bit of variation between the various Fire services as to what they want and are happy with, I am not surprised but I don't know if its a good thing.

Why don't RT put their short arms in their deep pockets and put a simple webform tool on their website that enables us, their CLIENTS, to submit these notification to the appropriate place in the appropriate format....

 

[Wombat]

Presumably you can afford a stamp? The website has the form and the addresses it should be sent to.

Because of our size we don;t normally need it and don't this year as most of our fert is blended so doesn't carry a warning diamond. Also the year we had it the fertiliser was down below the 25tonnes a week after delivery so with a stamp it would have been fine before royal mail got the form in. I just wanted to check what to do as it was the first time i had done it but no one at the office had any idea.

 

[Hindsight]

Why don't RT put their short arms in their deep pockets and put a simple webform tool on their website that enables us, their CLIENTS, to submit these notification to the appropriate place in the appropriate format....

Have you seen the price of a stamp after todays announcement of price increases.

 

[farmerm]

You people still giving these parasites your hard earned for zero return?. All these ships that are bringing in cheap grains at the moment will not have a red tractor stickers on them.

Yes, yes all very well, the lorry collecting cheap grain from the ships may not need the sticker but they will not load here until they have one and if I can't get it collected its not much value to me! It is time those farming near the docks and the mills go all French and blockage lorries leaving the ports or arriving at the mills with none farm assured grains until such time as RT returns to being optional!!

 

[farmerm]

Have you seen the price of a stamp after todays announcement of price increases.

Precisely why it should be an online offering provided to us though the RT website!!

 

[Highland Mule]

You people still giving these parasites your hard earned for zero return?. All these ships that are bringing in cheap grains at the moment will not have a red tractor stickers on them.

Nothing to do with RT - it’s a legal requirement.

 

[curlietailz]

We have a fire station in our village and son is friendly with a couple of the firemen
We filled out the form and gave it to them
They came out and looked
All was fine
Ticked the box

 

[4course]

Notifying the fire service is straight forward enough. It’s the HSE that I can’t find a contact for.

draught a letter put in in your file to the hse somewhere

 

[Steevo]

Notifying the fire service is straight forward enough. It’s the HSE that I can’t find a contact for.

Don't call us, we'll call you!

 

[Steevo]

Presumably you can afford a stamp? The website has the form and the addresses it should be sent to.

They only said send it.....not put a stamp on!

I'm sure they can afford to pay the postage for the letter, plus the £1 fee on top.

 

[Heathland]

Don't forget a sign at the entrance,when I notified the authorities that's what they pick me up on when they did a inspection.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Wasn’t the AN stored in Beirut explosive grade product, and partially degraded, rather than what we all sit on in our fertiliser stores?

I really don’t think it would be helpful for Joe Public to make the mistake of thinking they are the same thing.

but it is, basically. It is highly explosive, although it needs a catalyst (but I seem to recall it was a fireworks factory fire that sent the Beirut lot up). One of my family members, who stores a large volume for their arable acreage, was asked by the Met if they could visit his store as part of anti-terrorism training.

Seem to recall when we phoned our local fire service (We rarely have > 25t AN but we did one year) they were very pleased and said most farmers don't bother. )

 

[kiwi pom]

I told the story of this on my HSE thread 18 months ago. Being diligent, and suspecting the inspector would likely be an officious pillock, I looked into doing just this. I rang the local fire station manager (also our chimney sweep at the time) to find out if I could notify him. He seemed confused by the whole idea. I ended up ringing Powys fire service, after searching for various online methods or forms to do it.
Now Powys is a big county, it contains lots of farms, a good number of which would take delivery of >25t of fertiliser from time to time. The lass at Powys fire service laughed and said that it was a new one on her, and she’d never been asked about that before. She checked round the office, and they all said the same.
She came back to the phone, still laughing, and suggested that I had now notified them as I had told them (no address, post code, etc had been given by then), and we agreed to leave it at that.

I ticked the box and the inspector was happy.

The point is that you notified them - having proof of that is a good idea - The lass can laugh about it all she wants, if something goes wrong, you can say you told them and she'll be in the sh*t.
It's not your fault she's not aware of the rules.

 

[Princess Pooper]

Why don't RT put their short arms in their deep pockets and put a simple webform tool on their website that enables us, their CLIENTS, to submit these notification to the appropriate place in the appropriate format....

Because it isn't only a RT requirement it is a legal requirement.

 

[Grass And Grain]

25 tonnes seems a strange figure. 24 tonnes being obviously not too dangerous

 

[neilo]

The point is that you notified them - having proof of that is a good idea - The lass can laugh about it all she wants, if something goes wrong, you can say you told them and she'll be in the sh*t.
It's not your fault she's not aware of the rules.

My point was that clearly, nobody in the large rural County of Powys had notified them before.

If it’s a requirement for us to notify, then there should at least be a method of doing so, even if such notifications are then filed away in a dusty office and ignored. Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous!