Nroso - a joke

[will l]

Pretty sure we were told everyone else is 3 years

It is 2 years in germany 3 years in belgium

 

[bobk]

You can also get points for watching your sprayer MOT, and meeting agronomist.
Also get two points for getting Potash news, a free fact sheet.

And 2 points if you buy the shrewsbury man u programme

 

[DRC]

Fill your boots everyone

 

[DRC]

And 2 points if you buy the shrewsbury man u programme

See they lost again!

 

[spin cycle]

See they lost again!

should never have sold 'oggy'....remember blond haired garry hackett (?) bombing down the wings at gay meadow in the 80's

 

[DRC]

I didn't find it patronising , mainly cos I hadn't a clue wtf he was talking about , but I'll bet it's shiny and loved .

To be fair to @Rob Holmes , he did say he hadn't meant to sound patronising, after I'd replied. So I'll recind the award

should never have sold 'oggy'....remember blond haired garry hackett (?) bombing down the wings at gay meadow in the 80's

I as talking about man utd, but agree about selling players.
Unfortunately it's what smaller teams have to do, as we've sold two great young lads this year to Brighton and Brentford for £1.5 million.

 

[spin cycle]

To be fair to @Rob Holmes , he did say he hadn't meant to sound patronising, after I'd replied. So I'll recind the award

I as talking about man utd, but agree about selling players.
Unfortunately it's what smaller teams have to do, as we've sold two great young lads this year to Brighton and Brentford for £1.5 million.

rob hasn't explained how those 'whistles and bells' stop diffuse pollution though

 

[Rob Holmes]

rob hasn't explained how those 'whistles and bells' stop diffuse pollution though

I don't recall saying that they do

 

[spin cycle]

Believe it or not there are some people that don't know this!
In my meeting, the instructor asked the delegates:

• Who had GPS? - Only me
• Who has auto boom height? - Only me
• Who has auto section? - Only me
• Who has a flow meter for filling? - Only me!
• Who has auto wash out? ...yes, you guessed it
• He was only surprised when i said i didn't have a drone!

I'm not bragging, but there are some farmers with a bog standard sprayer, and only do 100 acres or so a year, i think these courses genuinely educate them

I don't recall saying that they do

are you saying they don't.......sorry i'm only an uneducated 100ac guy

 

[Rob Holmes]

Ok, for a kick off, i don't think you're uneducated, nor the people on my course, maybe the phase 'i think these courses genuinely educate them' was wrong and i should have written something like "i think many people attending these courses pick up a few hints and tips to help them work more effectively"
I also should have said that the instructor of the course was shocked to find that many of the attendee's sprayers were of standard spec, he was expecting some sprayers to have more features.

Ok, now i'll attempt to answer your question:

GPS/Auto section control- Reduces overlaps and over/under dosing on headlands
Autoboom height- Reduces the chance of drift onto non target crops
Flowmeter- To eliminate overflowing (..and yes, i've done it!)

...but that wasn't the reason why the machine was spec'd as it was, one of the main reasons was to make my life easier, also, we intend to keep the sprayer for many years and to have these fitted at factory fit works out cheaper than retro-fitting them a few years down the line.

 

[spin cycle]

you old charmer you

 

[bobk]

GPS/Auto section control- Reduces overlaps and over/under dosing on headlands
Autoboom height- Reduces the chance of drift onto non target crops
Flowmeter- To eliminate overflowing (..and yes, i've done it!)

.

I've got all those features

a. Work out your tramlines

b. Drop your arms

c. Turn the tap off.

 

[Jetemp]

@Rob Holmes biggest benefit of the bells and whistles as you've mentioned is consumer safety, especially in crops which don't have a great amount of further processing, i.e. Most veg, and to be fair for me shows that as operators we are responsible and n the eyes of the general public!!

James

 

[ARW]

A farmer told me not long ago that he was asked for his sprayer certificate and nroso membership number and he said he didn't have one as they are a registered charity and he didn't believe in giving to charity so he couldn't be a member but still did his own spraying. I have no idea what happened but he is still spraying and claiming sfp

 

[spin cycle]

@Rob Holmes biggest benefit of the bells and whistles as you've mentioned is consumer safety, especially in crops which don't have a great amount of further processing, i.e. Most veg, and to be fair for me shows that as operators we are responsible and n the eyes of the general public!!

James

on the button IMO

 

[rob1]

As dose rates are set to be the minimum that are effective and are well below the safe level is there any evidence to show that a bit of overlap is in the slightest bit dangerous. And if spraying in the correct conditions how can the overlap cause any more diverse pollution? When i reach the headland i can tell because the crop rows are at 90 degrees. Not for one minute saying that section control isnt good but a good operator can do just as good a job and section control doesnt stop people going in poor conditions and in IMVHO that is the reason for much of the pollution

 

[principal skinner]

As dose rates are set to be the minimum that are effective and are well below the safe level is there any evidence to show that a bit of overlap is in the slightest bit dangerous. And if spraying in the correct conditions how can the overlap cause any more diverse pollution? When i reach the headland i can tell because the crop rows are at 90 degrees. Not for one minute saying that section control isnt good but a good operator can do just as good a job and section control doesnt stop people going in poor conditions and in IMVHO that is the reason for much of the pollution

Maybe for an hour or two but not consistently for 14 hours or in the dark, when its setup correctly its spot on every single time all day long, since using it and rtk tramlines our fields spray out at the same area every time within 0.01 0.02 of a ha. But fully agree with your point about it not stopping people going in poor conditions

 

[DrWazzock]

Farming, at least at my level in a small farm, is an annual business, and over the last twenty years my routine and way of working have settled into a tried and tested pattern. Yes I have done the courses and read the booklets but like the PDA leaflet it's basically the same information they have been putting out for the last thirty years.

So I think annual courses and annual MOTs are far too frequent. That's why it's all so repetitive, going over the same ground every year.

It's the same with fertiliser plans and all that nonsense. I know how much N P and K my crops need from initially training and then fine tuned by experience of what does and doesn't work for our situation.

It would be nice if we could be left alone for a bit to settle into the routine we have that works for us. Left to get on with the job. If we need help or more information we have plenty at our finger tips so can't they just back off?

For operators, a test every 10 years would be plenty and cut out the CPD cos a lot of it's just a money making exercise to keep folks busy.

Then MOT the sprayer every 5 years. This is long enough to allow corrosion to show up which weakens the chassis which really is the only thing worth checking for. The rest of the checklist items are things that are checked by the operator anyway, or could occur randomly as soon as the testers van has led the yard.

 

[Jetemp]

As dose rates are set to be the minimum that are effective and are well below the safe level is there any evidence to show that a bit of overlap is in the slightest bit dangerous. And if spraying in the correct conditions how can the overlap cause any more diverse pollution? When i reach the headland i can tell because the crop rows are at 90 degrees. Not for one minute saying that section control isnt good but a good operator can do just as good a job and section control doesnt stop people going in poor conditions and in IMVHO that is the reason for much of the pollution

There are scientific relations between levels like LD50 (lethal dose 50, dose at which 50% of the poulation die), MRL's (maximum residue levels), ADI (acceptable daily intakes) and many other safety levels that are set with scientific assesmet and safety factors taken into account. The bells and whistles allow us to use products that may push these to the limits but without breaching them. No man is capable of doing this perfectly every time a computer is if set up correctly.

Some of these levels may sound pretty bring to most farmers, but t is part of the reason that bringing a pesticide to market costs so much.

Residue levels are measured in produce and used to show that products are being used in accordance with GAP (good agricultural practice). I can't remember where you go to find the test results but they are a public document. If residue levels of pesticides are regularly found in produce there is only really going to be one outcome, the loss of more products!

James

 

[DrWazzock]

There are scientific relations between levels like LD50 (lethal dose 50, dose at which 50% of the poulation die), MRL's (maximum residue levels), ADI (acceptable daily intakes) and many other safety levels that are set with scientific assesmet and safety factors taken into account. The bells and whistles allow us to use products that may push these to the limits but without breaching them. No man is capable of doing this perfectly every time a computer is if set up correctly.

Some of these levels may sound pretty bring to most farmers, but t is part of the reason that bringing a pesticide to market costs so much.

Residue levels are measured in produce and used to show that products are being used in accordance with GAP (good agricultural practice). I can't remember where you go to find the test results but they are a public document. If residue levels of pesticides are regularly found in produce there is only really going to be one outcome, the loss of more products!

James

I wouldn't want to be pushing usage to the limits set for LD or ADI, I would be wanting to use as little as possible that was effective.

Yes a computer is fine if it's set up and working correctly. If it isn't, and the operator doesn't have the knowledge to know if its "right" then it can be a disaster.

I think there will be more and more errors made due to over complexity leading to excessive difficulty for the operator in understanding how the system works, how to troubleshoot it and how to correct it.

Looking at some modern sprayers with more pipes and valves than an intensive care ward, all I see is a big opportunity for an expensive screw up.