Nroso heavy handed email

alomy75

Member
When you all leave the rt sh&te, this pointless guff goes away.
There will always be a requirement for pa1 and pa2/pa6 and Nroso to prove we are keeping up to date; otherwise anyone could go out spraying opening up the way for cowboys and a bad image for our industry when it goes wrong. What’s Nroso; 30 points over 3 years? Could be worse; basis/facts is 50 of the same points every year. Jus saying.
 

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
To save the cost of the quango why can't all those sprayer operators with Pa1 and 2 be allowed to just hand on their knowledge to sons and employees. Who better to train them .Instead off he has to go a course or find a form in a farming journal to say you've read it of all things to gain a few meaningless points. On top of that a strange bod comes out to farm to conduct a practical and all over in an hour never to be seen again. Hey presto you become a full blown sprayer operator. Same goes for everything we need to do now.

Oh I forgot about the all important money changing hands part of it
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
To save the cost of the quango why can't all those sprayer operators with Pa1 and 2 be allowed to just hand on their knowledge to sons and employees. Who better to train them .Instead off he has to go a course or find a form in a farming journal to say you've read it of all things to gain a few meaningless points. On top of that a strange bod comes out to farm to conduct a practical and all over in an hour never to be seen again. Hey presto you become a full blown sprayer operator. Same goes for everything we need to do now.

Oh I forgot about the all important money changing hands part of it

Good point that - be like an apprenticeship!
 

Boysground

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
There will always be a requirement for pa1 and pa2/pa6 and Nroso to prove we are keeping up to date; otherwise anyone could go out spraying opening up the way for cowboys and a bad image for our industry when it goes wrong. What’s Nroso; 30 points over 3 years? Could be worse; basis/facts is 50 of the same points every year. Jus saying.

I started this thread not because I disagree with on going professional development but because of the heavy handed attitude of Nroso.
I have been to a few very good events to get points, and I have come away thinking that I have learnt something. Unfortunately this has not happened many times.

My issue was that my 3 years to get 30 points is up now. I have only 29, since I have had my statement I have done 2 courses which should put me over the 30. Neither of these have shown on my account yet and I am told it could take up to 30 days. I have an email that says if I don’t get the points within 45 days (with Christmas in the middle) my current suspension will be permanent and I will not be able to rejoin for 12 months.

I am certainly not the smallest farm or the largest but I am the only one here licensed to spray. So if I am booted out I would have to get a contractor in which I don’t want to do and cannot really afford. I may not be able to sell my crops as the email says they won’t be assured and I may not be able to feed my own product to my cows, without threatening my milk contract

I found this email very threatening. I have told Nroso over the phone that agriculture is a very tough industry to be in at the moment, I said that in this day of talking of mental health they should think before something like that is sent, it could quite easily cause serious issues to a farmer who is already overly stressed.

The answer I got was that the email is computer generated and I won’t be thrown out. To me that makes the situation worse, the computer is blamed but somebody will still have had to write the email.

Nroso really need to change their attitude, yes do the cpd points. But perhaps concentrate on proper training and not just making sure they can get plenty of farmers on their courses with their high handed attitude. It is not right.

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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
@Boysground - well done and thank you for raising this! We faced a similar issue a few months back, even before this topic was started. It's great that you've brought this into the light on here too so members on here who will no doubt receive this same letter over the coming months are aware. It's great that issues that affect all farmers like this can be shared by all on here. Farming is a lonely business, especially when you are individually faced with threatening emails like this from organisations that do not understand the effects of their actions.

You post above motivated me to email NRoSO directly, with a direct link to your post and to make them aware of this issue being faced by farmers. I felt that they should be formally made aware of the consequences of their actions, held accountable for this and that they should be formally acknowledging this issue head on. I have requested that they engage on here which I hope they will do. Having been made formally aware of it I am hopeful they will address it properly and will not shy away from it.

@AM_Arable - would it be worth running a piece on this in the Farmers Weekly to flag this matter up to the wider farming community? There must be many many farmers out there who may have received (or if not soon will be receiving!) a similar letter having been unable to gather sufficient points and currently face the incredible (and excessive!) threat of being banned for 12 months. I feel NRoSO should be approached for comment and should be issuing a formal public statement to clarify the position.

Not to mention addressing the fact that that their own website "Events" page has not been updated for over 5 years - the most recent Event Date listed is 2016! It's rather rich to call farmers out given that they are not helping in this matter by doing their bit. Screenshot below taken today.


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robs1

Member
I think nroso are wonderful people, they given me 6 points for a course I've not completed, 😆 guess that makes up for the 6 points they've not added for several events I have been to. Its hysterical that a business that checks people that have done a job for many many years in some cases couldnt run a pee up in a brewery , they couldn't be more useless if they tried
 

cb387

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cotswolds
Nroso didn’t add the TFF points I applied for last year so I didn’t have the 30 points needed and they threatened to suspend me. I phoned them (eventually) and pointed this out. Fortunately I had the email confirmation from TFF regarding the points application which they very reluctantly accepted. Therefore if you haven’t had points credited but have the email from TFF to prove you applied they should add the points to your account. ( Unfortunately this does require speaking to them which is enough to test anyones patience)
 

Boysground

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
I have had to take a photo of the results screen of the EIO operator online training I did and send it to Nroso. Apparently that’s the quickest way to get the points added.

That is really taking the p1ss these days, surely they should have that sorted better.

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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I have had to take a photo of the results screen of the EIO operator online training I did and send it to Nroso. Apparently that’s the quickest way to get the points added.

That is really taking the p1ss these days, surely they should have that sorted better.

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I always photo any of the sheets at events after signing. That way I have the number of points, event code and proof I was there. Excessive, but sadly necessary as I don’t trust them not to screw it up. Their website shows how (in)competent they are.
 

britishblue

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
Not just NRoSO but also SQC. A few years ago my sprayer mot had run out when I got inspection and they gave me 6 weeks to get it sorted. After a month( I was busy calving/sowing) a real pr*ck phoned to threaten allsorts if it wasn't done immediately. Came very close to telling him where to shove but got it done within the six weeks.
Makes a mockery when a pig farming friend who had come out of SQC did have some grain to sell and a local merchant wanted it. He was told grain wasn't assured but merchant said don''t worry about that I will meet the lorry and give him a passport!
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
I always photo any of the sheets at events after signing. That way I have the number of points, event code and proof I was there. Excessive, but sadly necessary as I don’t trust them not to screw it up. Their website shows how (in)competent they are.

Good idea 👍 might start doing that.
 

Shutesy

Moderator
Arable Farmer
We were told on the course that we had to complete a short questionnaire based on the course, answers in the booklet, they put up a website address on the screen to write down, wtf?, no address in the booklet, my agronomist took a photo of it and sent me a link but I' dammned if I can get into it.
We had the same. Chap running our course gave out the link on a separate piece of paper, meant everyone had to enter it manually into there phones or ipads to take the questionnaire. One letter or symbol wrong and it doesn't work, just got to keep trying. Did manage to get it all sorted in the end though.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
We had the same. Chap running our course gave out the link on a separate piece of paper, meant everyone had to enter it manually into there phones or ipads to take the questionnaire. One letter or symbol wrong and it doesn't work, just got to keep trying. Did manage to get it all sorted in the end though.

on the course I did the presenter sent everyone an email after the event with the link to the questionnaire to get the points.
All a bit of a farce really as we were alerted through the training to the facts we needed to remember 😉
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Good idea 👍 might start doing that.

Worth adding them to a special album on your phone then you have access to them all in one place when you need them.

Added bonus if you're an iPhone user (other phones may do this also) - in case you forget to do the above album idea....you can usually remember where you went to the event if nothing else. On Photos, go to Albums, Places, then find the venue on the map.....and it'll automatically show you your photo of the sheet! :)
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
We had the same. Chap running our course gave out the link on a separate piece of paper, meant everyone had to enter it manually into there phones or ipads to take the questionnaire. One letter or symbol wrong and it doesn't work, just got to keep trying. Did manage to get it all sorted in the end though.

Have they not heard of QR codes?
 

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