Nutrient planning in Gatekeeper, Muddy boots, etc

[Hamishws]

I noticed today that the nutrient planning part of Gatekeeper is still using recommendations from the old RB209.

There is a free app from Yara which uses current RB209 information, yet Gatekeeper which we pay a small fortune for is around two years behind the curve.

Are Muddy Boots and other programs using information from the current RB209?

 

[Ugo79]

GreenLight is also using old version of RB209 and has a number of minor glitches in the fertiliser part of the program.

 

[An Gof]

Here’s the latest update info for GLGM that came by email this week

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Nutrient Calculator changes (for United Kingdom, England or Wales)

The Nutrient Calculator by Muddy Boots has been partially updated from RB209 revision 8, to RB209 revision 9. This means that upon calculating your next crop requirement, you may notice the following.

Revised recommendations allow the crop nitrogen requirement to be adjusted based on expected yield for:

• Winter wheat
• Winter barley
• Spring barley

Updated nitrogen recommendations for:

• Winter wheat
• Winter triticale
• Winter oats
• Winter barley
• Spring barley

As this is a partial update, please note the following exceptions:

• The option to add 'whole crop' cereals has not yet been added.
• Recommendations for the following new crop types have not yet been added:
  - Sunflowers
  - Baby leaf lettuce
  - Wild rocket
  - Coriander
  - Mint
• Sulphur recommendations for potatoes & horticultural crops are based on RB209 revision 8.
• Nitrogen recommendations for sweetcorn are based on revision 8.

Further planned updates to the nutrient calculator will remove these exceptions.

 

[Brisel]

Hmm. I’ll chase Farmplan to update the Nutrient Management module. For what I pay them every year they can blimmin well work for it!

 

[Clive]

Agreed - what the hell are we paying for if basic stuff like that does not get updates

It’s royal data harvesting pee take frankly

In fact I think we should all without support payment until it’s up to date

 

[An Gof]

Gatekeeper .......... you all love it really

 

[Woodlander]

Hmm. I’ll chase Farmplan to update the Nutrient Management module. For what I pay them every year they can blimmin well work for it!

It is absolutely ridiculous that this isn't updated. The changes in section 4 - arable crops are nothing revolutionary, OK you can adjust for yield but surely that isn't hard to add in. The changes in the grassland section are more major, but still given the amount of support they receive, this should have been sorted way before now.

 

[matttargett4]

I'd be pleased if the nutrient planning worked at all for grassland, every year I have to get onto them about a load of stupid niggles which I forget by the next yr.

If I could import and export boundaries and guidance lines across manufacturers with anything else I'd get rid of it in a heartbeat

 

[Wombat]

All of my grass always seems to default to back to the default settings every year drives me nuts it never remembers last years settings for grass age and whether it’s beef and silage etc

 

[matttargett4]

Yeh that sounds pretty familiar, then chucks up a load of errors because your grass history doesn't match your cropping history

 

[Hamishws]

All of my grass always seems to default to back to the default settings every year drives me nuts it never remembers last years settings for grass age and whether it’s beef and silage etc

Is there also not some quirk about having to have lime neutralising value included in your planning to get it to spit out a nitrogen recommendation for grass?

For a supposedly premium price of software it is pretty basic! Particularly when it comes to grass nutrient planning, so much double entering data.

The market is crying out for an alternative. @Clive had you not found an alternative with potential, how’s that coming on?

 

[Wombat]

Is there also not some quirk about having to have lime neutralising value included in your planning to get it to spit out a nitrogen recommendation for grass?

For a supposedly premium price of software it is pretty basic! Particularly when it comes to grass nutrient planning, so much double entering data.

The market is crying out for an alternative. @Clive had you not found an alternative with potential, how’s that coming on?

Yes if you don’t have neutralising value selected it won’t give you a recommendation. The grass part is a pain in the @rse. I have one arable field that was grass about 6yrs ago and it fails on some grass history but I cannot work out what the issue is.

 

[matttargett4]

Yes if you don't do the lime thing it won't work either, considering grass is the largest crop in the country it's a f*£$#ing joke really, I haven't done my nutrient plan yet because I can't face the ball ache of what should be simple and automated is really an excuse that you can use!

 

[Hamishws]

I spoke to Farmplan at Croptec, I don’t think there is any major updates coming anytime soon. You would think that after at least ten years, they would have something up there sleeve.

They only need to look on here to see that they need to up their game, the Gatekeeper threads are getting a bit like the which pickup and self propelled v trailed sprayer threads, quite repetitive!

 

[JCfarmer]

What do these companies charge per hectare?

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

On GLGM if you use liquid n Yara do you put the specific weight in as it seems to throw the entry out of you do?
If I apply 200ltrs of Yara 28n 14s I know I’m applying 56kgs n and 28kgs of s. Why is it telling me I’m applying 70kgs n and 30 kgs s?

 

[Boysground]

On GLGM if you use liquid n Yara do you put the specific weight in as it seems to throw the entry out of you do?
If I apply 200ltrs of Yara 28n 14s I know I’m applying 56kgs n and 28kgs of s. Why is it telling me I’m applying 70kgs n and 30 kgs s?

Have you checked the nutrient value is correct for the fertiliser in settings. I don’t use liquid so may be totally wrong.

Bg

 

[Ugo79]

On GLGM if you use liquid n Yara do you put the specific weight in as it seems to throw the entry out of you do?
If I apply 200ltrs of Yara 28n 14s I know I’m applying 56kgs n and 28kgs of s. Why is it telling me I’m applying 70kgs n and 30 kgs s?

What is the specific gravity/weight of the product ?

 

[Ian01]

Ignore specific gravity, just enter the nutrient value on a weight per volume basis, ie. Kg per litre. Specific gravity is irrelevant then as for every litre you apply is x ammount of nutrient

 

[JCfarmer]

What does basic Gatekeeper cost?