NZ - UK trade deal.

[Easedoff]

Yeah, some NZers may be turning against their PM but she has 1000 times more sense than the UK’s current International trade secretary. This is what we have voted into power here to represent the Scottish Borders area of Berwick on tweed which is renowned for it’s sheep.

Who is our current International trade secretary?

 

[Courier]

Who is our current International trade secretary?

Since 15th September - Elected MP for Berwick on Tweed who obviously has s**t for brains.

The Rt Hon Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP

Anne-Marie Trevelyan was appointed as a Minister of State in the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office on 26 October 2022. Anne-Marie was previously Secretary of State for Transport between 6 September 2022 and 25 October 2022. She was Secretary of State for International Trade and...

www.gov.uk

 

[Canada Farmer]

Despite your obvious greater personal knowledge of the lady, I think perhaps you're missing the point that (even) she saw straight away that the winner in Boris's latest deal was never going to be the English buffoon

Eh??? No need for poetic license with regard to the New Zeeland PM, I severly doubt those in her country endear her with the term "lady" and suspect they ise a more appropriate term with reference to her and her ability or lack of.....
In a global context as I understand people seem to be unable to see the inability and incompetence in this current PM in NZ especially the media as she is tarred with the same brush as Trudeau and the Liberal party.
While she may have got one over your PM Johnson (no metapher intended or implied) both leaders fall below a standard that people expect or the countries deserve.
I suspect the best Christmas card you could get this year in NZ from Ardern would be one with her P45!!!
I guess Trudeau will be back to Tofino with his family for Christmas???

 

[kiwi pom]

The Aus deal doesn’t seem to have been completed yet - View attachment 992784

I think its fairly normal for a deal to be announced but it then taking a year or so to get everything signed off and running. The wheels turn slowly but they do get there.
The UK's only been out 5 mins, it takes time to sort things.

 

[scholland]

Whatever politics etc is involved I don't care but the belt isn't a good look.

Good red meat producers promoting red meat around the world would be sensible.

 

[Canada Farmer]

Now then, quick Google of the figures.....

Beef boys needn't get their panties in too much of a bunch just yet:

UK beef production 926 thousand tonnes. NZ getting to export (up to) 12 thousand tonnes initially, up from 450. An increase of roughly 1.25%


HOWEVER, the writing is up there in feckin high letters for those of us with things who go BAA.....

UK sheep production 300 thousand tonnes, a third of which was exported to the EU. NZ was sending up to 114 thousand tonnes our way, but Asian demand after their pigs got swine flu has soaked up much of that. Indeed it's helped create the current pleasant lamb price.

But, Bojo the clown has tentatively agreed to let NZ stick another 35 thousand tonnes our way......

An initial increase of 30% in sheep meat imports to the UK

30% more meat that costs an awful lot less to reach the supermarket shelves than what they're currently having to pay us for our lambs and auld ewes.

Aye 30% sheep meat increase

Oot of curiosity how long have the Antipodean's been exporting sheep and lamb to the UK?

 

[Canada Farmer]

I think its fairly normal for a deal to be announced but it then taking a year or so to get everything signed off and running. The wheels turn slowly but they do get there.
The UK's only been out 5 mins, it takes time to sort things.

As quick as brexit???

 

[Canada Farmer]

Yeah, some NZers may be turning against their PM but she has 1000 times more sense than the UK’s current International trade secretary. This is what we have voted into power here to represent the Scottish Borders area of Berwick on tweed which is renowned for it’s sheep.

Think you might find in NZ that their PM is aboot as popular as Trudeau is in BC!!!

 

[kiwi pom]

don't know why we need to be worried about NZ, sheep and cattle numbers are well down and still falling, and with a market focus on Asia, iIcan't see many NZ farmers going "lets give up a prime market so we can sell cheap food to the UK". and even if the farmers in NZ decided to sell it cheap. by the time you factor in the ever raising costs of transport/shipping. it won't be cheap by the time it gets here

They won't necessarily aim for the cheap end of the market, the Kiwi's are quite good at identifying a market and supplying it, so far example they might supply 100% grass fed lamb of beef.
There's a lot of onions grown around this area, the farmers own a pack house and grade them out, different specs and grades go to different countries, the UK being one, the cheap reject shite tends to end up on our own supermarket shelves.

If they did target the cheap end of the market then they would be competing for the cheap UK import market which may put some of the countries that currently export to the UK under pressure.

 

[steveR]

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FFS, what an idiotic thing to have said!! How to put a negative spin on an already crap outlook for sheep producers.

The Great God of Free Trade....... and screw the UK production industries.

 

[steveR]

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Since 15th September - Elected MP for Berwick on Tweed who obviously has s**t for brains.

The Rt Hon Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP

Anne-Marie Trevelyan was appointed as a Minister of State in the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office on 26 October 2022. Anne-Marie was previously Secretary of State for Transport between 6 September 2022 and 25 October 2022. She was Secretary of State for International Trade and...

www.gov.uk

Another MP with zero qualification for the job.... or probably, any job! A Bozo cheerleader maybe...

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

Oot of curiosity how long have the Antipodean's been exporting sheep and lamb to the UK?

Ever since refrigeration was invented.

We had a trade deal post WW2 for around 250k tons of lamb/mutton quota, however this was for carcasses and later modified to be carcase equivalent as more cuts were sent and was of course an EU deal.
However the quota has not been anywhere near filled for probably ten years and the amount sent has continued to decrease.
Presumably NZ still has a deal with the EU and that will be a more important market as the European lamb price is higher.

It is unlikely that NZ will be sending loads more here any time soon.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Ever since refrigeration was invented.

We had a trade deal post WW2 for around 250k tons of lamb/mutton quota, however this was for carcasses and later modified to be carcase equivalent as more cuts were sent and was of course an EU deal.
However the quota has not been anywhere near filled for probably ten years and the amount sent has continued to decrease.
Presumably NZ still has a deal with the EU and that will be a more important market as the European lamb price is higher.

It is unlikely that NZ will be sending loads more here any time soon.

I think in the Brexit agreement the quota was split 50:50 between the UK and EU. Around115,000 tonnes each?

 

[willy]

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She must like eating cade lambs or milk lambs as the Spanish call the. 1 week old. Does make you wonder

 

[manhill]

I use methane capture and storage during the winter months when the cattle are indoors.
The methane is extracted from the building ventilation system and provides heating for the house.Excess gas is flared under EA licence. Where required, additional methane is generated by myself after fish and chips and mushy peas, washed down with copious quantities of beer.

 

[jendan]

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Since 15th September - Elected MP for Berwick on Tweed who obviously has s**t for brains.

The Rt Hon Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP

Anne-Marie Trevelyan was appointed as a Minister of State in the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office on 26 October 2022. Anne-Marie was previously Secretary of State for Transport between 6 September 2022 and 25 October 2022. She was Secretary of State for International Trade and...

www.gov.uk

Why the good people of Berwick upon Tweed and the borders voted for her instead of Hans Porksens daughter is beyond belief.

 

[Nithsdale]

The issue I have with this deal, and as Dunc says - the 30% market share, tariff free.

Currently NZ can't meet its quotas as it concentrates on Asia/China... so you could say this won't actually affect us...
But China has an end goal of agricultural self sufficiency. Once that is reached they won't want lamb (or beef or milk...).

Once China don't want NZ lamb - which WILL happen. NZ have secured a future plan-B for their lamb so they're not out on a limb.
Boris and the Tory's have dropped their trousers and bent over for NZ by giving them this free trade deal - which appears to be pretty much 1-way. It does zero to benefit the UK




I just can not understand why any nation would willingly hand over free access to 1/3 of its domestic market for any produce

 

[Tubbylew]

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W.T.F

 

[Courier]

……………
I just can not understand why any nation would willingly hand over free access to 1/3 of its domestic market for any produce

The “Nation” hasn’t - Just this current minority ( by way of votes ) government with a parliamentary majority gifted by virtue of FPTP.

 

[Courier]

I think its fairly normal for a deal to be announced but it then taking a year or so to get everything signed off and running. The wheels turn slowly but they do get there.
The UK's only been out 5 mins, it takes time to sort things.

“Oven ready deal” the man said “Oven ready !”

Surely that wasn’t more misleading information ( or a downright lie ) ?