NZ View on Brexit

[Chris F]

This came on my LinkedIn feed and offers an interesting view of Brexit from a NZ point of view.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11701900

"More than two months on from Brexit - or the date Nigel Farage hoped would be known as "United Kingdom Independence Day" - we have little more knowledge about what a post-European Union Britain will look like.

The ambiguity will persist for some time, with new Prime Minister Theresa May promising to have established Britain's exit plan before triggering Article 50 - which will then be followed by up to two years of negotiations.

This lack of certainty presents risks for New Zealand's agricultural exporters, as well as opportunities for our much-vaunted trade negotiators.

Over 13 per cent of our agricultural exports went to the EU in the year to December 2015. Britain received around a third of that portion.

Sheep farmers are the most reliant on this market. The EU is the destination for almost half of Kiwi sheep meat product exports, with the Britain responsible for more than 40 per cent of that....
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[Pasty]

So we take 20% of NZ lamb? Be silly not to get talking ASAP.

 

[its yourself]

So we take 20% of NZ lamb? Be silly not to get talking ASAP.

The UK cannot make trade deals until after it has left the EU.

When that happens talks can begin.

 

[Pasty]

The UK cannot make trade deals until after it has left the EU.

When that happens talks can begin.

I'm sure money will talk a little louder than BS rules from Junker the drunkard. Deals are being done now. You would be very silly to think otherwise. It's the ink on the paper which sets the date and if you have had any dealings you will know that is not always today. It can be past or future depending.

 

[Ashtree]

So we take 20% of NZ lamb? Be silly not to get talking ASAP.

Nah. When TM's underlings eventually get round to trade talks, few bits of mutton won't be too high on the agenda. As it was so it shall be. Ag will be well down the Westminster pecking order. When they do actually spot something about ag on page 209 of their briefing documents, they will throw it as a bone to get higher agenda stuff over the line .

 

[Pasty]

Nah. When TM's underlings eventually get round to trade talks, few bits of mutton won't be too high on the agenda. As it was so it shall be. Ag will be well down the Westminster pecking order. When they do actually spot something about ag on page 209 of their briefing documents, they will throw it as a bone to get higher agenda stuff over the line .

You seem to know exactly what is going to happen and are quite smug about it. That means you either have proper connections or you are guessing to suit your agenda. Can you actually foresee the future as you state you can?

 

[Ashtree]

You seem to know exactly what is going to happen and are quite smug about it. That means you either have proper connections or you are guessing to suit your agenda. Can you actually foresee the future as you state you can?

It's as I said in my post. UK has always treated ag as a very low priority in policy formation. The single most anti ag sector and anti CAP government in the EU.

Dire performance in the areas of BPS payments system.
Dire performance in TB management.

It's a fact that UK government just do not put ag high on the agenda.

I don't expect that to change.

That's not being smug. That's being realistic.

 

[its yourself]

I'm sure money will talk a little louder than BS rules from Junker the drunkard. Deals are being done now. You would be very silly to think otherwise. It's the ink on the paper which sets the date and if you have had any dealings you will know that is not always today. It can be past or future depending.

The law is clear.

If the UK government acts outside of the law it is open to legal challenge.

Brexit is a legal bonanza. Especially if the government does as you suggest.

 

[Pasty]

The law is clear.

If the UK government acts outside of the law it is open to legal challenge.

Brexit is a legal bonanza. Especially if the government does as you suggest.

It's not acting outside of the law. I can go to my solicitor and draw up all sorts of arrangements and such like with other people with no sig and no date. It has no matter until then. Arranged marriage? Slavery? Whatever, it's just ink on paper. I doubt my solicitor would arrange either but anyway. Myself and the other party can get everything in place and in the end all it takes is just to put a date on it. Then it may be illegal.

Until that point there is nothing so no laws have been broken unless it's some sort of hate crime etc. . What, legally in UK or EU law is there to stop persons, may they be people, companies or governments, sorting out deals to be signed when the moment permits? Millions of people do it every year in the UK on houses, land, businesses etc. You prepare a whole lot of stuff but nobody is bound until you fully complete, aside from maybe lost deposits / compensation etc. . It is not illegal in any law to run up a deal.

You take the law too seriously. It's not illegal for me to build an effigy to Bon Scott in Hyde park. It would be a civil and planning matter and the land owners would likely take legal action. Doesn't make me a criminal until that action is successful and I refuse to remove. You are getting all mixed up. You don't just break the law by doing things very much these days.

 

[its yourself]

It's not acting outside of the law. I can go to my solicitor and draw up all sorts of arrangements and such like with other people with no sig and no date. It has no matter until then. Arranged marriage? Slavery? Whatever, it's just ink on paper. I doubt my solicitor would arrange either but anyway. Myself and the other party can get everything in place and in the end all it takes is just to put a date on it. Then it may be illegal.

Until that point there is nothing so no laws have been broken unless it's some sort of hate crime etc. . What, legally in UK or EU law is there to stop persons, may they be people, companies or governments, sorting out deals to be signed when the moment permits? Millions of people do it every year in the UK on houses, land, businesses etc. You prepare a whole lot of stuff but nobody is bound until you fully complete, aside from maybe lost deposits / compensation etc. . It is not illegal in any law to run up a deal.

You take the law too seriously. It's not illegal for me to build an effigy to Bon Scott in Hyde park. It would be a civil and planning matter and the land owners would likely take legal action. Doesn't make me a criminal until that action is successful and I refuse to remove. You are getting all mixed up. You don't just break the law by doing things very much these days.

If you don't take the law seriously it has a habit of making you do so.

 

[its yourself]

It's not acting outside of the law. I can go to my solicitor and draw up all sorts of arrangements and such like with other people with no sig and no date. It has no matter until then. Arranged marriage? Slavery? Whatever, it's just ink on paper. I doubt my solicitor would arrange either but anyway. Myself and the other party can get everything in place and in the end all it takes is just to put a date on it. Then it may be illegal.

Until that point there is nothing so no laws have been broken unless it's some sort of hate crime etc. . What, legally in UK or EU law is there to stop persons, may they be people, companies or governments, sorting out deals to be signed when the moment permits? Millions of people do it every year in the UK on houses, land, businesses etc. You prepare a whole lot of stuff but nobody is bound until you fully complete, aside from maybe lost deposits / compensation etc. . It is not illegal in any law to run up a deal.

You take the law too seriously. It's not illegal for me to build an effigy to Bon Scott in Hyde park. It would be a civil and planning matter and the land owners would likely take legal action. Doesn't make me a criminal until that action is successful and I refuse to remove. You are getting all mixed up. You don't just break the law by doing things very much these days.

Ever heard of a nice handy catch all charge prosecution services have fun with?

Let's see if you can name it?

 

[Ashtree]

It's not acting outside of the law. I can go to my solicitor and draw up all sorts of arrangements and such like with other people with no sig and no date. It has no matter until then. Arranged marriage? Slavery? Whatever, it's just ink on paper. I doubt my solicitor would arrange either but anyway. Myself and the other party can get everything in place and in the end all it takes is just to put a date on it. Then it may be illegal.

Until that point there is nothing so no laws have been broken unless it's some sort of hate crime etc. . What, legally in UK or EU law is there to stop persons, may they be people, companies or governments, sorting out deals to be signed when the moment permits? Millions of people do it every year in the UK on houses, land, businesses etc. You prepare a whole lot of stuff but nobody is bound until you fully complete, aside from maybe lost deposits / compensation etc. . It is not illegal in any law to run up a deal.

You take the law too seriously. It's not illegal for me to build an effigy to Bon Scott in Hyde park. It would be a civil and planning matter and the land owners would likely take legal action. Doesn't make me a criminal until that action is successful and I refuse to remove. You are getting all mixed up. You don't just break the law by doing things very much these days.

Such irrational logic. Have a cup of tea or something.
It's illegal to negotiate separate trade deals until such time as UK is out of the EU. You may want to act outside the law. What makes you think other countries may want to act outside the law and jeopardise their current and it future trading relationship with the rest of the EU?
We know you want to play the dance tune. We know you forsee all and sundry knocking themselves over to dance to your tune.

It's going to negotiating time dear boy. First mistake the other side could make would be rushing along to the table just because you called. The other side countries are going to play as much hardball with you as they do with the EU and others.

Bet your bottom dollar on that.

And they have a slight advantage in that they have been doing this for the longest time now. Your negotiators are starting from scratch.

 

[stewart]

The headline in the article is "British free trade opportunity not to be missed" as this is a New Zealand newspaper I would assume that they are referring to an opportunity for New Zealand.

Agriculture is high on the list for the NZ government and their trade negotiators have a wealth of experience. Quite the opposite to the UK. I do not see UK agriculture faring very well once negotiations start.

 

[Ashtree]

The headline in the article is "British free trade opportunity not to be missed" as this is a New Zealand newspaper I would assume that they are referring to an opportunity for New Zealand.

Agriculture is high on the list for the NZ government and their trade negotiators have a wealth of experience. Quite the opposite to the UK. I do not see UK agriculture faring very well once negotiations start.

Bang on the button.

 

[Henarar]

The headline in the article is "British free trade opportunity not to be missed" as this is a New Zealand newspaper I would assume that they are referring to an opportunity for New Zealand.

Agriculture is high on the list for the NZ government and their trade negotiators have a wealth of experience. Quite the opposite to the UK. I do not see UK agriculture faring very well once negotiations start.

can't "like" that but you are probably right