Oats in grass reseed.

[Johnny400]

How thick would you sow oats into a redclover/grass reseed? I will have seed left over and wondered if it would bulk up for a cut of silage. Or silly idea?

 

[spanners]

Just done mine, Vicon wagtail, set to number 46 or might be 48 harrow it in afterwards

 

[Johnny400]

Just done mine, Vicon wagtail, set to number 46 or might be 48 harrow it in afterwards

Translates to kgs per acre? Will you silage it? Cheers

 

[Great In Grass]

50/60kgs/acre, silage no problem.

 

[sherg]

we were told last year to undersow with barley not oats, the oats would smother the grass out

 

[spanners]

we were told last year to undersow with barley not oats, the oats would smother the grass out

rubbish

 

[Dave6170]

Old factor here always said you get a much better take of grass under oats rather than barley

 

[Great In Grass]

rubbish

Short and to the point, I like it.

 

[roscoe erf]

Short and to the point, I like it.

is that grumpy your on about

 

[Col555]

Sowed some under our grass reseed yesterday at 80kg/ac with our home grown untreated oats, germ tested at about 70%.

If it looks like it's getting over powering and starting to smother grass...cut it!!

 

[Devil's advocate]

What happens if you mix some winter barley in with a reseed? I'll be grazing mine with sheep all summer (hoggs with twin lambs at foot)

 

[Johnny400]

Was thinking wouldnt barley be better as it would ripen quicker and be cut and ensiled sooner. Then allowing the grass more time in the autumn to grow on? Just a thought given my location.

 

[Great In Grass]

Was thinking wouldnt barley be better as it would ripen quicker and be cut and ensiled sooner. Then allowing the grass more time in the autumn to grow on? Just a thought given my location.

No more than 50/60kgs per acre, that's what my customers go at, grass seed full 14kg/acre. Barley would work very well.

 

[snowhite]

No more than 50/60kgs per acre, that's what my customers go at, grass seed full 14kg/acre. Barley would work very well.

I was doing a test once and one of the questions was "what is wild oats " another girl put down on her paper
That is what young fellows do on a Saturday night ( she left out that they go to church Sunday and pray for the crop not to take root

 

[Derrick Hughes]

we were told last year to undersow with barley not oats, the oats would smother the grass out

Yes bArley is better as it don't grow as tall and keeps on its feet better, depends on how thick you sow it the firtiler rate, never been a fan of it as its always a compramise and you don't want to compramise an expensive grass ley, as soon as it will take stock get some sheep on it that will get the weeds of and encourage the grass to tiller, yes it's a poor mans ley if it's undersown

 

[Great In Grass]

Can't agree that its a 'poor man's' ley FT, my customers under sow various crops with excellent results.

 

[Will Blackburn]

Can't agree that its a 'poor man's' ley FT, my customers under sow various crops with excellent results.

I think your seed rates are a little high, both grass and oats?

Also oats exhibit allelopathy, which is surely a disadvantage when trying to establish a new ley.

 

[Great In Grass]

Actually I can't think of any of my guys under sowing Oats in recent years, the normal suspects are either straight stands or mixtures of (not all together) pea/vetch/SB/SW/Trit/lupins, plus 14kg grass seed.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Can't agree that its a 'poor man's' ley FT, my customers under sow various crops with excellent results.

We will have to agree to disagree my dad was a grassland fanatic and would not entertain undersowning, so how do you control weeds? He would have had 3 grazing by the time you cut and taking a young ley to maturity cutting stage is bad farming in my book

 

[endeavour]

ft how do you balance thisreply with your remarks in "arable silage" oats will give you most bulk ! surely all replies should consider the use to which the crop will be put,the area in which it is grown etc.
you are more dogmatic than grumpy !!!!!!