Octopost or fence n forget?

tepapa

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
on the metal post then is it best to go for a standard post rather than the eco version. Thanks for the information, it’s all very useful.
I assume your talking clipex in which case it depends what netting your going to use as the clip spacing is different

If your fencing in cattle your better with some beefy posts amongst the standards which means you need to use X fence netting to fit the clips. If it's just for sheep or patching older fences you can use the eco posts as the clips fit normal netting made by everyone else.
 

Northern territory

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Livestock Farmer
I assume your talking clipex in which case it depends what netting your going to use as the clip spacing is different

If your fencing in cattle your better with some beefy posts amongst the standards which means you need to use X fence netting to fit the clips. If it's just for sheep or patching older fences you can use the eco posts as the clips fit normal netting made by everyone else.
Ok, mainly for sheep thanks.
 

hally

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Livestock Farmer
Location
cumbria
Got 2 packs for renewing and had cut the top of one last week, the creasote was right in to just 20mmof the centre
Got a good business model that guy, sell us wet tantalised posts that last 5 years then sell us the creosoted ones to replace them……genius 🤬
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
but, isn't one of the highest users for fossil fuels making steel?
and what's the wire made of that you use for the fence anyway ?

If the steel posts last for instance 3 times longer then the building processes will use 3 times less the total resources and that wire on that broken rotted wood fence each time will be junk and new used x3.

The less times a fence is erected uses less resources lower cost to whatever and whoever, simple.

btw way were using Concrete for straining and turning posts :sneaky:

and old metal posts rusted out at ground level can be sent to the scrap yard and recycled .

the amount of rotting, falling over relatively young wooden fences around here quite frankly depresses me.
 
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neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
and what's the wire made of that you use for the fence anyway ?

If the steel posts last for instance 3 times longer then the building processes will use 3 times the resources and that wire on the fence each time will be scrapped and new used x3.

The less times a fence is erected uses less resources lower cost to whatever and whoever, simple.

btw way were using Concrete for straining and turning posts :sneaky:

and old metal posts rusted out at ground level can be sent to the scrap yard and recycled .

Why would you scrap & replace the wire just because the posts had rotted out? :scratchhead:

I expect the metal posts will last well (early enough to tell yet though), but I still say they look awful. :censored:
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Why would you scrap & replace the wire just because the posts had rotted out? :scratchhead:
yes i suppose intermediates are inobtrusive and steel can be slipped in to replace them in situ which we do do in places... but changing over the also rotted strainers is another matter can be done yes
I expect the metal posts will last well (early enough to tell yet though), but I still say they look awful. :censored:
first clippex we used has been in since 2014 and there's no stain yet on the galv. at ground level
Dont forget they could be painted (green:sneaky: ) as well on top of that galv. of course if one wanted to both adding to longevity and looks.
 

tepapa

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
I expect the metal posts will last well (early enough to tell yet though),

Metal posts have been around for decades. There's one place I've fenced which had a metal fence system installed, it is now rotten at ground level (not galved), and it was put in before all the current staff started to work there, which is over 30 years previously.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
and what's the wire made of that you use for the fence anyway ?

If the steel posts last for instance 3 times longer then the building processes will use 3 times less the total resources and that wire on that broken rotted wood fence each time will be junk and new used x3.

The less times a fence is erected uses less resources lower cost to whatever and whoever, simple.

btw way were using Concrete for straining and turning posts :sneaky:

and old metal posts rusted out at ground level can be sent to the scrap yard and recycled .

the amount of rotting, falling over relatively young wooden fences around here quite frankly depresses me.
how much are the concrete strainers? Have been using telegraph posts as I noticed the strainers seemed to rot faster than the posts (when I was using tanilised posts)
 

David.

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Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Just a word about Clippex Eco posts, I've just done 800m of them, and unless I'm doing it wrong, it takes just as long and is harder work to clip the HT8 80 15 netting up as it does to staple it.
Putting the posts in however is wonderfully easy with just a telehandler.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Just a word about Clippex Eco posts, I've just done 800m of them, and unless I'm doing it wrong, it takes just as long and is harder work to clip the HT8 80 15 netting up as it does to staple it.
Putting the posts in however is wonderfully easy with just a telehandler.
we use 8/80/22 or 30 which gives a bit more leeway /length of horizontal wire to clip on.

pushing a tensioned well set net on can be done quite easily by just leaning against it in places in find, its take seconds literally , or should do . i push the lower ones in with my boot at times also to save bending donw too often
Also most of the time we put in posts after the net is strained up, so you can choose where to put the post, ie central to the verticals to make it easier to push on.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
how much are the concrete strainers? Have been using telegraph posts as I noticed the strainers seemed to rot faster than the posts (when I was using tanilised posts)
last ones i bought were about £20 each , from a building supplies place they are the ones they use for fence panels ,tapered top to bottom from about 5 to 4 inch ish around and 8ft long ( could do with a ft less tbh but we auger a hole to almost 40 inches if we can (depth of the auger without extension ) with a 6inch dia . auger.
 

Nenuphar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ireland
In Ireland the Esb buy poles from various companies, predominantly PDM and Scanpole.

Not sure of the year, but an ESB worker was up a new pole when it snapped. The pole was from the Scandinavian company mentioned.
The Esb then found out numerous newly supplied poles were defective.
Problem was too big (as it was global) to go legal, so now around the world all the utility companies have to constantly test defective poles that were not up to standard. This will cost billions to replace due to the costs involved which I never knew were so high.

If a company can sell sub standard products, globally knowing full well there’s not much can be done? Questions have to be asked.
I just wouldn’t recommend them.

I was wondering if I’d say anything, and then thought I’d appreciate it if another member gave me the heads up if they knew something.

I will be deleting the names Scanpole in my posts later on.
Is PDM stuff ok/the better option for creosote posts in your own opinion?
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
Has anyone had much luck with dipping their half rounds in waste oil etc? Dry ours out in the shed for 6 months + first, and then stand in barrels for as many months as possible. Only been doing it three or four years, so don't know the results. One downside is they are hellish hard to hammer staples into when dried out.


NB
Posts could be breaking off at ground level at five or six year old here with our damp climate...
 

aangus

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Location
cumbria
Apparently Europe are banning creasote treated posts from next year. Will Uk still be able to get them? I asked my supplier about a month ago and he didn’t know anything about the ban in Europe
 

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