Oh dear, what happend here, was it speed, or where they on the phone

Mursal

Member
Possible cause of accident:
Flat tyre
Understeer because all the steering angles are wrong, due to the tyre.
If you stop the footage with 43 seconds remaining (17 seconds from the start), just before impact you can see the front outside (next the truck) tyre soft, also causing the back to go light.
All modern road vehicles have whats known as negative roll radius built into the steering angles. So that in the event of a blowout, the steering wheel isn't pulled out of the drivers hand. I don't thing its all that common on tractors, but ZF increased Castor and KPI for John Deere in the 80's/90's to reduce turning circle.
 
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holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Possible cause of accident:
Flat tyre
Understeer because all the steering angles are wrong, due to the tyre.
If you stop the footage with 43 seconds remaining (17 seconds from the start), just before impact you can see the front outside (next the truck) tyre soft, also causing the back to go light.
All modern road vehicles have whats known as negative roll radius built into the steering angles. So that in the event of a blowout, the steering wheel isn't pulled out of the drivers hand. I don't thing its all that common on tractors, but ZF increased Castor and KPI for John Deere in the 80's/90's to reduce turning circle.
Nothing to do with the obvious speed then @Mursal :whistle::D
 
Make the "young" cart silage off a wet hillside in a two wheel drive and a ten tonne trailer with no brakes.

They'll soon learn to think about their speed o_O
That's how I learned thankfully had a 4wheel drive when I was 16 tho only 90 hoss no breaks and the silage door had to be opened with a sledge hammer
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Fair enough. My main concern is the industry doesn't get burdened with tractor MOT's.
At a time when costs need to be falling, we are lumbered with RT, Loler, etc........
If you only see mot, lol er as cost that burdens you then you and I will never agree on some subjects......
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Make the "young" cart silage off a wet hillside in a two wheel drive and a ten tonne trailer with no brakes.

They'll soon learn to think about their speed o_O
Sorry for so many replies but only just catching up on his thread....
If the above is true why do we keep having so so many farm accidents of 30-50 year olds if they all learned the hard way rather than these bubble wrapped youngsters?
Farming can't police itself as every accident and alot of people's attitude aludes to... so the state has to!
 

Pilgrimmick

Member
Location
Argyll
Sorry for so many replies but only just catching up on his thread....
If the above is true why do we keep having so so many farm accidents of 30-50 year olds if they all learned the hard way rather than these bubble wrapped youngsters?
Farming can't police itself as every accident and alot of people's attitude aludes to... so the state has to!
I cannot see how it is reasonably possible.
I cannot think of any other industry that has so many owner/operators, or who operate such a diverse range of machinery, use so many dangerous chemicals and operate in such extremes of climate and terrain.
To suggest that a one man band can do so is just rediculous. Two things would need to happen, the cost of produce would have to triple, at least, and protectionist trade policies would have to be introduced to ban cheaper imports from the rest of the world.
Niether will happen.
The state should not have a role in what you do on your own land, with your own machinery and own life, yes to protect others, but it should not be an Orwellian all controlling monster. Health ans safety is based on reasonable steps to protect against injury/death, it is not a blank cheque to govern everything in life.
Farming is inherently dangerous, the accident rate is too high, but self education is the way to go,peer pressure to do things safely and discussion on forums such as this. After a death or serious accident, we talk about it, discuss what went wrong and put measures inplace to prevent it happening again. State policing will only make things worse.
 

Skimmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Notts
It wasn't a bus, but one day it will be & then keeping the combine or forager waiting a few minutes won't really seem that important as you will have the rest of your life to think about it !
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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