older round baler

[Deere 6430]

Looking at round balers for doing HAY and STRAW only. Have seen a John Deere and a New Holland. Good and bad points of both? John Deere is a 580 model and the New Holland is a 658.

What models and makes should I be looking for and avoiding! Must be able to do a 4ft diameter bale as we have to be able to get the bales into the stables at one yard.

Don't mind an older model as it wont be doing a huge workload, looking for what was the best baler of that time reliability wise etc and be able to get the parts.

Have seen a Krone but not sure what model it was.

 

[ridger]

I'm looking at a deutz 2.30 to do the same kind of work as you, as far as I can see they all have bearings which will fail eventually and they don't look too hard to replace in that deutz

 

[Deere 6430]

Yes hadn't thought of Deutz. Bearings aren't to difficult, just want something that is simple and reliable and be able to be repaired without a degree in electronics!

 

[Deere 6430]

It must be net wrap as well. I know some older balers were string.

 

[ridger]

This deutz is string, it will do me ok for my own work. Might upgrade after a few years. My thought is that a string baler may not have done as much work. Deutz with no net is automatic, starts stringing when pressure is right. No control box

 

[ridger]

I borrowed a john Deere 550 once, disaster! Belt broke and wrapped round everything! Was glad to get it sorted out and left back, most expensive 6 bales I ever baled

 

[Daveh]

I'm looking at a deutz 2.30 to do the same kind of work as you, as far as I can see they all have bearings which will fail eventually and they don't look too hard to replace in that deutz

We have had a few Deutz balers over the years and they are fairly reliable As said above the only problem would be bearings which are pretty straight forward once you get the gears off the end of the roller ( sometimes not so easy). the one i liked best was a Claas, dont know why, i just did.

 

[Drillman]

At that age and model the NH will cover the ground faster and the Deere will (probably) be more reliable. However they will both breakdown when it's least convieient and I strongly suggest carrying a fire extinguisher and several gallons of water to help prevent the inevitable happening.

 

[David.]

At that age and model the NH will cover the ground faster and the Deere will (probably) be more reliable. However they will both breakdown when it's least convieient and I strongly suggest carrying a fire extinguisher and several gallons of water to help prevent the inevitable happening.

I stronger suggest keeping the JD on a tractor that you don't much like, and NOT taking any water or fire extinguisher.
Unless the 580 feeding in/net wrapping/belts crossing etc is a massive leap forward from a 550 of course.

 

[ridger]

We have had a few Deutz balers over the years and they are fairly reliable As said above the only problem would be bearings which are pretty straight forward once you get the gears off the end of the roller ( sometimes not so easy). the one i liked best was a Claas, dont know why, i just did.

What's the net system like in deutz? Think il stick with twine at the min, looks simpler. I don't mind an odd bearing going as long as they don't all go at once.

 

[Henarar]

I had a NH 644 very good and fast in hay and straw I didn't have much hassle only the bearings on the feed rake the new ones got a grease nipple and were ok after that I had it new but done 20k with it, never broke a belt

 

[Fergieman]

The JD 580 relies on the rams to keep the back door shut and to made a good solid bale. (no door catches unlike the 590)

We had one and it was a nightmare to keep going.

 

[Mursal]

The older Class aren't bad, but its hard to thick all the boxes. Though they carry the bale high and haven't much weight on the drawbar. Have you a budget an are you getting a warranty?

 

[Daveh]

What's the net system like in deutz? Think il stick with twine at the min, looks simpler. I don't mind an odd bearing going as long as they don't all go at once.

had a roll of net on a baler when it came and never used it, o/h hates getting net off bales in the winter so i need to keep her happy. The thing i liked was that you could vary the amounts of string that you put on the bale quite a bit so that for silage i hardly used any string.. not the tightest of bales but it did make quite nice silage.

 

[Deere 6430]

budget is around £4000, what models of John Deere are the best then? What is a 590 like? Can the New Holland 658 do a 4 ft bale? I like the idea of simple string but it is no go in our situation so net is a must. Definitely don't want something that doesn't feed properly. The New Holland seems quite big? Are there smaller models?

 

[roscoe erf]

Jd 550 can be a nightmare but not so
much with hay and straw but haylage or silage is a no no unless you want to kill it spend more time under it than bailing

 

[ridger]

had a roll of net on a baler when it came and never used it, o/h hates getting net off bales in the winter so i need to keep her happy. The thing i liked was that you could vary the amounts of string that you put on the bale quite a bit so that for silage i hardly used any string.. not the tightest of bales but it did make quite nice silage.

Would you have used the smallest wheel to twine the grass or the next one? All it really would need is enough to get it into wrapper.

 

[Chips]

I have a deutz 3.20 , it makes bales as heavy as a fusion just not as perfectly shaped ! Can have trouble in very dry short straw in that it stops turning before tied

 

[grumpy]

@green giant has a cracking jd580 for sale

 

[green giant]

Looking at round balers for doing HAY and STRAW only. Have seen a John Deere and a New Holland. Good and bad points of both? John Deere is a 580 model and the New Holland is a 658.

What models and makes should I be looking for and avoiding! Must be able to do a 4ft diameter bale as we have to be able to get the bales into the stables at one yard.

Don't mind an older model as it wont be doing a huge workload, looking for what was the best baler of that time reliability wise etc and be able to get the parts.

Have seen a Krone but not sure what model it was.

I have various balers of age/models ( JD 572/580/854) if your intrested just PM me, GG