Organic farming

WelshSmallholder1404

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Livestock Farmer
Hello guys!

Wondering if anyone can advise some good resources on organic farming for me to learn from? Any textbooks, online websites or books I can buy on the matter. I’ve a degree in science and so have a particular interest in studying farming and coming at things from a scientific perspective than blindly following what my father says, “because that’s how we’ve always done it” haha.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
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Hello guys!

Wondering if anyone can advise some good resources on organic farming for me to learn from? Any textbooks, online websites or books I can buy on the matter. I’ve a degree in science and so have a particular interest in studying farming and coming at things from a scientific perspective than blindly following what my father says, “because that’s how we’ve always done it” haha.

Where do you live and what do you want to produce?
 
Location
Ceredigion
Hello guys!

Wondering if anyone can advise some good resources on organic farming for me to learn from? Any textbooks, online websites or books I can buy on the matter. I’ve a degree in science and so have a particular interest in studying farming and coming at things from a scientific perspective than blindly following what my father says, “because that’s how we’ve always done it” haha.
I always think a mix of the 2 is best, I may be wrong but if someone says it cant be done it just makes me try harder , someone once said on here dont question an expert, i question everything
 
Location
Ceredigion
Said he who sprays and fertilisers every field on his farm 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Think you may have miss understood lol

a mix of Dad and Science , not one or tuther

And ive moved away for bag fertiliser, not giving me what i want which is long term stable fertility

My work at the moment is sowing legumes with forage crops such as Annual Clovers, I need to see how the can handle our upland climate , which is probably bread and butter to a lot but very few ask when ordering seeds
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Think you may have miss understood lol

a mix of Dad and Science , not one or tuther

And ive moved away for bag fertiliser, not giving me what i want which is long term stable fertility

My work at the moment is sowing legumes with forage crops such as Annual Clovers, I need to see how the can handle our upland climate , which is probably bread and butter to a lot but very few ask when ordering seeds
Everything is science,
Growing crops is biology and chemistry.

Only annual clovers?

Upland. What altitude?
 
Location
Ceredigion
Everything is science,
Growing crops is biology and chemistry.

Only annual clovers?

Upland. What altitude?
"interest in studying farming and coming at things from a scientific perspective than blindly following what my father says"

The ops words not mines

Legumes in General

do you have any information on how toxic vetch is when fed to stock , was reading up on what this american farmers said about it, but he only includes 2lb to the acre
 
Location
southwest
Hello guys!

Wondering if anyone can advise some good resources on organic farming for me to learn from? Any textbooks, online websites or books I can buy on the matter. I’ve a degree in science and so have a particular interest in studying farming and coming at things from a scientific perspective than blindly following what my father says, “because that’s how we’ve always done it” haha.

As a scientist you'll soon see that all the "organic" crap is mostly as science based as the saying there's a man in the moon.

No scientific basis for all the ridiculous claims made by self interest groups like the Soil Assn and farmer Sid.

No one can tell the difference between an "organic" steak or glass of milk and the same product from a traditional source


As for Sid's comments about nothing new in agriculture, for once he's spot on. People were caponising (hormone treating) poultry 50 years ago.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
As a scientist you'll soon see that all the "organic" crap is mostly as science based as the saying there's a man in the moon.

No scientific basis for all the ridiculous claims made by self interest groups like the Soil Assn and farmer Sid.

No one can tell the difference between an "organic" steak or glass of milk and the same product from a traditional source


As for Sid's comments about nothing new in agriculture, for once he's spot on. People were caponising (hormone treating) poultry 50 years ago.


They also have chips, but not necessarily on their shoulder
 
Location
Ceredigion
As a scientist you'll soon see that all the "organic" crap is mostly as science based as the saying there's a man in the moon.

No scientific basis for all the ridiculous claims made by self interest groups like the Soil Assn and farmer Sid.

No one can tell the difference between an "organic" steak or glass of milk and the same product from a traditional source


As for Sid's comments about nothing new in agriculture, for once he's spot on. People were caponising (hormone treating) poultry 50 years ago.
Depends what you call new, were they milking with Robots 100 years ago , we used to farm 250 milkers and quite a few local farmers would suggest quite good at it , if I went back to milking now I would be lost , things move on at a pace
As for Organic , I think its wrong to constantly knock it , farming is party moving that way in general
 

WelshSmallholder1404

Member
Livestock Farmer
As a scientist you'll soon see that all the "organic" crap is mostly as science based as the saying there's a man in the moon.

No scientific basis for all the ridiculous claims made by self interest groups like the Soil Assn and farmer Sid.

No one can tell the difference between an "organic" steak or glass of milk and the same product from a traditional source


As for Sid's comments about nothing new in agriculture, for once he's spot on. People were caponising (hormone treating) poultry 50 years ago.
This is funny🤣 I got to “organic crap” and ignored the rest of that paragraph…

I take what you’re saying that there may not be a difference if you tasted one after the other but there is a difference in the price we receive.
Undoubtedly, with the pressures from the government we are being pushed towards a more sustainable form of farming. Studying from the books and taking knowledge from my father is a perfect combination of learning lessons and looking forward. I think I would be stupid to not look to the future and try to tailor the growth of our farm for that. Farming itself is becoming a more scientific profession with greater need for educated farmers. Gone are the days of us raising turkeys and selling them to the locals at xmas time, things are above board, clinical maybe, and science plays and will continue to play, a big part in the development of our profession. Great days when we could go out farm and come home, but a progressive, sustainable farming is the way forward.
 
Location
Ceredigion
This is funny🤣 I got to “organic crap” and ignored the rest of that paragraph…

I take what you’re saying that there may not be a difference if you tasted one after the other but there is a difference in the price we receive.
Undoubtedly, with the pressures from the government we are being pushed towards a more sustainable form of farming. Studying from the books and taking knowledge from my father is a perfect combination of learning lessons and looking forward. I think I would be stupid to not look to the future and try to tailor the growth of our farm for that. Farming itself is becoming a more scientific profession with greater need for educated farmers. Gone are the days of us raising turkeys and selling them to the locals at xmas time, things are above board, clinical maybe, and science plays and will continue to play, a big part in the development of our profession. Great days when we could go out farm and come home, but a progressive, sustainable farming is the way forward.
If you want to get on with farmers you need to ease off the throttle a bit , I know plenty who still raise a few turkeys and sell to locals and what about farmers markets
 

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