Organic farming

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
I have been organic for over 20 years, its not harder than conventional, just different. Sick of infighting between farmers, we are all just doing the best we can and should work together, there are more than enough threats to our industry without us sniping at each other.
It is not necessarily different, a non organic farmer can farm in just the same way as an organic farmer,
I have put this on here before I know someone that went organic for the conversation payment done the five years and then dropped it and it made very little difference to the way he farmed simply because that was the way he farmed.
 
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It is not necessarily different, a non organic farmer can farm in just the same way as an organic farmer,
I have put this on here before I know someone that went organic for the conversation payment done the five years and then dropped it and it made very little difference to the way he farmed simply because that was the way he farmed.
But you can't use the word Organic
ie
"Next lot 200 bales of Organic Hay "
Is it registered?
"No but It's had no fertilizer or sprays"
It's not Organic then
 
Seems to me the main thing you need to go Organic is plenty of rain. I know a number of folks west of Pennines (50 or 60 inch rain ) doing a good job growing organic grass. Twitter followers will probably have come across JRfromstrickley who gets impressive organic results in South Cumbria,
This side of the hill with a rainfall around 25 inches it is more difficult. One of the main men at Nafferton ( mentioned earlier in this thread ) thought he needed 30% more land to produce the same amount of milk. (That does raise a question about feeding the worlds billions of mouths ? )
Another local farm seems to be struggling to grow sufficient grass, especially mid summer.

Does pee me off when people use organic as an excuse for running a shite hole.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Seems to me the main thing you need to go Organic is plenty of rain. I know a number of folks west of Pennines (50 or 60 inch rain ) doing a good job growing organic grass. Twitter followers will probably have come across JRfromstrickley who gets impressive organic results in South Cumbria,
This side of the hill with a rainfall around 25 inches it is more difficult. One of the main men at Nafferton ( mentioned earlier in this thread ) thought he needed 30% more land to produce the same amount of milk. (That does raise a question about feeding the worlds billions of mouths ? )
Another local farm seems to be struggling to grow sufficient grass, especially mid summer.

Does pee me off when people use organic as an excuse for running a shite hole.
Good post

It also says a lot about overproduction IMO

30% is probably how much of what "all farms" produce that's dumped, binned, rejected or spoilt after we have our own losses etc outside our control with weather/death/everything else

and that extra 30% is often just mined from somewhere that runs out one day

We aren't Organic other than we don't use anything, just a better way of doing things suits us... as you say shite holes are out there, and also some pretty burnt-out barren places around because they pretty much ranch sheep on it with the gates all tied back against the fences

that's pretty much a conventional model without putting anything back (not even management) and it definitely isn't good for land nor beast

then I look at our wee place coming out of winter with clean grass and good stock and good stocking rates and know that it does work if you understand how to get everything woken up and working right 🙂
 
Seems to me the main thing you need to go Organic is plenty of rain. I know a number of folks west of Pennines (50 or 60 inch rain ) doing a good job growing organic grass. Twitter followers will probably have come across JRfromstrickley who gets impressive organic results in South Cumbria,
This side of the hill with a rainfall around 25 inches it is more difficult. One of the main men at Nafferton ( mentioned earlier in this thread ) thought he needed 30% more land to produce the same amount of milk. (That does raise a question about feeding the worlds billions of mouths ? )
Another local farm seems to be struggling to grow sufficient grass, especially mid summer.

Does pee me off when people use organic as an excuse for running a shite hole.
as far as feeding the world goes, we waste about 30% of the food produced now loss
 

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