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No measure of kg of dock seed per 1000 gallons?
I don’t think anyone would argue that muck isn’t a valuable fertiliser source.
View attachment 979472had my Slury Report Back
30 Units of N per 1,000 galView attachment 979472had my Slury Report Back
Some would be putting on artificial as well!30 Units of N per 1,000 gal
6500 gal/ac would be to strong then
Yeah I know some that put on 6500 gal/acre every cut plus some sugar too, cutting every 30 days, I was always told a 2,000 gal tanker would do the same as 1 cwt (hundredweight) of nitram.Some would be putting on artificial as well!
It is not necessarily different, a non organic farmer can farm in just the same way as an organic farmer,I have been organic for over 20 years, its not harder than conventional, just different. Sick of infighting between farmers, we are all just doing the best we can and should work together, there are more than enough threats to our industry without us sniping at each other.
But you can't use the word OrganicIt is not necessarily different, a non organic farmer can farm in just the same way as an organic farmer,
I have put this on here before I know someone that went organic for the conversation payment done the five years and then dropped it and it made very little difference to the way he farmed simply because that was the way he farmed.
Good postSeems to me the main thing you need to go Organic is plenty of rain. I know a number of folks west of Pennines (50 or 60 inch rain ) doing a good job growing organic grass. Twitter followers will probably have come across JRfromstrickley who gets impressive organic results in South Cumbria,
This side of the hill with a rainfall around 25 inches it is more difficult. One of the main men at Nafferton ( mentioned earlier in this thread ) thought he needed 30% more land to produce the same amount of milk. (That does raise a question about feeding the worlds billions of mouths ? )
Another local farm seems to be struggling to grow sufficient grass, especially mid summer.
Does pee me off when people use organic as an excuse for running a shite hole.
yes I know, the point was that many farmers don't use fert of spray or much in the way of AB's anyway so wouldn't find conversion much troubleBut you can't use the word Organic
ie
"Next lot 200 bales of Organic Hay "
Is it registered?
"No but It's had no fertilizer or sprays"
It's not Organic then
But you can't use the word Organic
ie
"Next lot 200 bales of Organic Hay "
Is it registered?
"No but It's had no fertilizer or sprays"
It's not Organic then
as far as feeding the world goes, we waste about 30% of the food produced now lossSeems to me the main thing you need to go Organic is plenty of rain. I know a number of folks west of Pennines (50 or 60 inch rain ) doing a good job growing organic grass. Twitter followers will probably have come across JRfromstrickley who gets impressive organic results in South Cumbria,
This side of the hill with a rainfall around 25 inches it is more difficult. One of the main men at Nafferton ( mentioned earlier in this thread ) thought he needed 30% more land to produce the same amount of milk. (That does raise a question about feeding the worlds billions of mouths ? )
Another local farm seems to be struggling to grow sufficient grass, especially mid summer.
Does pee me off when people use organic as an excuse for running a shite hole.
But that isn't going to change overnight.as far as feeding the world goes, we waste about 30% of the food produced now loss
Good book and the man is a great bloke.
Could anyone tell me about soil association or Scottish organic growers, or similar assurance schemes (the Red Tractor.equivalent).
Where do I find out about it?
Is there a scheme manual?
Thanks.
Thanks Sid.
OF&G standards manual
or
Soil association standards manual
Why not just ask your customers what they want? That’s the usual way to make a sale.Thanks Sid.
I seem to think you're dairy, so need RT anyway?
Sorry, I don't quite understand... am I correct in thinking Soil association and OF&G have separate assurance schemes as well as the normal organic standards? So if, for example, you grow organic grain or organic beef, can you supply mills or meat processor without being RT assured? If so, is that just from the organic standards, or is there a separate add-on assurance element?
Maybe not your sector/knowledge.
Yes being dairy I am held to ransom to be RT.Thanks Sid.
I seem to think you're dairy, so need RT anyway?
Sorry, I don't quite understand... am I correct in thinking Soil association and OF&G have separate assurance schemes as well as the normal organic standards? So if, for example, you grow organic grain or organic beef, can you supply mills or meat processor without being RT assured? If so, is that just from the organic standards, or is there a separate add-on assurance element?
Maybe not your sector/knowledge.
They want assurance, but they accept several different schemes, including Soil Association and OF&G assurance schemes. Trying to find out what the standards are for these schemes, but can't find them. Unless they are simply included within the normal organic standards.Why not just ask your customers what they want? That’s the usual way to make a sale.