Organic NT / direct drilling

York

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The_Swede

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Very impressive looking operation there. I note the comparatively low rainfall though - a long term organic farm not a million miles from here had a go with the eco-dyn concept several years ago and couldn't get on with it (grass weeds mainly), average rainfall ~900mm.
 

York

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D-Berlin
Does he use calci prill or equivalent to keep clubroot at bay?
Clubroot is a big topic over here with >45% OSR in a rotation for >15 years.
People which work with us don't seem to suffer this problems. Cabbage fly is almost same. Not related so far to Ca though. Ca is in that regions, where Clubroot is a problem not a property need.
Very impressive looking operation there. I note the comparatively low rainfall though - a long term organic farm not a million miles from here had a go with the eco-dyn concept several years ago and couldn't get on with it (grass weeds mainly), average rainfall ~900mm.
I'm not a promoter of it, have a rather neutral position. It's an ongoing development, call it that way. Some have good results, some have poor results in low & high rainfall (>1000mm) regions.

I started this thread to give some thought, not a manual "how to do it". Once the rape video are again online I will add them. As I mentioned in another thread. south of Berlin we have organic farms which yield >3t/ha of organic rape. At some >800,- €/t it outperforms every other main combinable crop.
York-Th.
 
Clubroot is a big topic over here with >45% OSR in a rotation for >15 years.
People which work with us don't seem to suffer this problems. Cabbage fly is almost same. Not related so far to Ca though. Ca is in that regions, where Clubroot is a problem not a property need.

I'm not a promoter of it, have a rather neutral position. It's an ongoing development, call it that way. Some have good results, some have poor results in low & high rainfall (>1000mm) regions.

I started this thread to give some thought, not a manual "how to do it". Once the rape video are again online I will add them. As I mentioned in another thread. south of Berlin we have organic farms which yield >3t/ha of organic rape. At some >800,- €/t it outperforms every other main combinable crop.
York-Th.
If you are lucky enough not to have Clubroot then make sure your soil phyto hygiene is good. Many years of swedes in Scotland and tight rotations of Osr in England so it is a big problem. Easily identified by soil sampling.
Many farmers in England have changed to SB because of Blackgrass and in the drought spring we have suffered are now writing these crops off.
I personally used to advise 2 Osr in a row, the second one Clearfield variety and the judicious use of Calci prill et al to keep clubroot down. Gives you 6 goes at BG control.
Before the doubters get going I was in a field a few years ago that had been continuous OSR for 15 years and now probably 20 years.
 

York

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I'm taking the challenge on in a situation where a field has been known for clubroot problems.
Before the doubters get going I was in a field a few years ago that had been continuous OSR for 15 years and now probably 20 years.
Dr. W. Albrecht always stressed this: "a healthy soil will keep plants healthy even when grow them continuously".
There is more evidence out there, backed by independant research, that Clubroot & Cabbage beetle are strongly related to nutrition.
Bear in mind that soil life, which is able to "control" fungi & larvae, needs also minerals. The relationship of minerals & soil life, the good guys, is also well documented.
York-Th.
p.s. don't use Clearfield technology, in NO crops! We consider it as part of the "Damocles sword", falling back on you. similar as only relying on Glyhosate technology.
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The question I always ask about organic farming is what happens when the 'cordon sanitaire' provided by non organic farms disappears?
Never forget plagues of old which were a result of proper organic farming. The future is a hybrid of the best of both types and pure organic is as much a dinosaur as two wheats and a rape
 

York

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The question I always ask about organic farming is what happens when the 'cordon sanitaire' provided by non organic farms disappears?
Never forget plagues of old which were a result of proper organic farming. The future is a hybrid of the best of both types and pure organic is as much a dinosaur as two wheats and a rape
According to my info are conv. farms reducing in that region the OSR growing area due to to large problems.
Which effect are you refering to? Are you still believing that Fungi- & insecticides are only selecting the "bad guys"?
Let's not concentrate on discussion the "can't be done but rather concentrate on finding out how we can make the OSR strong that all the "Week indicies" have no reason to appear.
York-Th.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I'm taking the challenge on in a situation where a field has been known for clubroot problems.

Dr. W. Albrecht always stressed this: "a healthy soil will keep plants healthy even when grow them continuously".
There is more evidence out there, backed by independant research, that Clubroot & Cabbage beetle are strongly related to nutrition.
Bear in mind that soil life, which is able to "control" fungi & larvae, needs also minerals. The relationship of minerals & soil life, the good guys, is also well documented.
York-Th.
p.s. don't use Clearfield technology, in NO crops! We consider it as part of the "Damocles sword", falling back on you. similar as only relying on Glyhosate technology.
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I don't want to tempt fate but...
Here in NZ, pastoral agriculture is strongly reliant on clover for N fixing purposes.
In recent years, clover root weevil and stem weevils have greatly taken off, damaging the clover, therefore N, and reduced production/performance quite significantly!
For some bizarre reason, it stops at my boundary, all my neighbours have it..
I have mushrooms and I have abundant clover here, thanks solely to soil life being encouraged by all the things that "just don't work": seaweed, salt, and zero tillage
 
According to my info are conv. farms reducing in that region the OSR growing area due to to large problems.
Which effect are you refering to? Are you still believing that Fungi- & insecticides are only selecting the "bad guys"?
Let's not concentrate on discussion the "can't be done but rather concentrate on finding out how we can make the OSR strong that all the "Week indicies" have no reason to appear.
York-Th.
Firstly crop breeding. Don't try to tell me you grow 20 yr old variety crops successfully except for target markets. Secondly without the fungicides yellow rust, blight etc would sweep all before. Sure there is plenty wrong with modern ag but no one can honestly say that this or that is certain and works everywhere. organic people are pissing in the wind as much as anyone else.
 

York

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Firstly crop breeding. Don't try to tell me you grow 20 yr old variety crops successfully except for target markets. Secondly without the fungicides yellow rust, blight etc would sweep all before. Sure there is plenty wrong with modern ag but no one can honestly say that this or that is certain and works everywhere. organic people are pissing in the wind as much as anyone else.
hopefully not against the wind :)
it's enough to swim not with the current.....
York-Th.
p.s. who said that they grow in ISR old varieties?
 

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