Organic soil rotation

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
If you haven’t got irrigation so limited appeal to potato/veg growers what crops are any good on black land? Sugar beet and wheat on their own aren’t enough really. Residuals don’t work very well so BG an increasing problem. Any thoughts? Letting for maize or turf is not appealing/appropriate for several reasons. Interested in others views.
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Is the ground organic or not?
Thread title says organic soil, but your post states residuals don't work well or is it it's high organic matter.
Sunflowers normally planted in wide rows, inter row cultivating?
 

Phil P

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Arable Farmer
Location
North West
@Phil P you surprise me what you grow on black land
Luckily we don’t have a bg problem (at the moment!) generally we either grow spring barley on the bits that won’t travel unless it’s been dry for 3 weeks. The firmer ground is pretty much permanent winter barley at the moment but we have had beet, spuds, carrots, wheat etc on it. But as you say weed control can be a major issue if not timed spot on!
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Luckily we don’t have a bg problem (at the moment!) generally we either grow spring barley on the bits that won’t travel unless it’s been dry for 3 weeks. The firmer ground is pretty much permanent winter barley at the moment but we have had beet, spuds, carrots, wheat etc on it. But as you say weed control can be a major issue if not timed spot on!
How do you keep the barley upright?! Next to no N? I’m always amazed @Sonoftheheir manages.
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
80-100 units and a good pgr on the spring barley usually but it was leaning quite a bit last time I looked. Not been since all this rain though 🤦🏻‍♂️
For feed obviously? All that happens if we grow spring barley on black with less N than that is that we end up ploughing the field with the combine.
 

Phil P

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Arable Farmer
Location
North West
For feed obviously? All that happens if we grow spring barley on black with less N than that is that we end up ploughing the field with the combine.
Only grow feed barley now, got sh!t on to many times with the malting job!
Been cutting the winter barley of the moss today.
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Was looking pretty promising but a drainage issue that needs looking at on one side of the field really knocked it the average! Did 3.1t/ac in the end which isn’t to bad I suppose but at least 1/2t down on a normal year. Also it’s a new variety I’ve not grown before so could be a factor as well but it does look like there’s potential.
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Fortunately not to much of this today either 🤦🏻‍♂️🤬
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