Organophosphate poisoning

[casemx 270]

About 35 years ago I was helping with sheep dipping it was a hot summers day so I was really sweating after helping out I became ill ,GP thought I d been abroad and got malaria I had to have these rehydration powders and was quite poorly any got better and moved on .Then 20 years ago I had a bout of pneumonia got over it and moved on to Christmas last year and again was really poorly with pneumonia ended up in ITC got better and had a 6 month review for the pneumonia and currently I m having tests for a low immune system and I have low levels of immunoglobulin which means I can't fight of infection like most people can . Anyone suffered from poisoning from sheep dip chemicals I know a few years ago there were quite a number of cases reported about such incidents and I know it's a total stab in the dark but could I have been poisoned by the sheep dip and I not looking for any blame just trying to possibly understand with the little information I have what might have happened . Thanks

 

[ollie989898]

You may have reacted adversely to the OP chemicals in the case you mentioned- some people do and profuse sweating is one of the classic signs of this, fortunately these effects are temporary as I understand it.

I have no idea if OPs could be the cause of low immunoglobulin levels but I do know immunoglobulin deficiency can be caused by a variety of fairly rare diseases caused by infectious organisms that have a habit of taking up residence in the body but being walled off or in a kind of dormant state only causing symptoms sporadically.

Did they ever determine what was causing your pneumonia last time?? There is a very distinguished professor of immunology in Liverpool If I remember correctly.

 

[tepapa]

Have they discussed any possible conditions yet such as aplastic anemia?

 

[ollie989898]

Have they discussed any possible conditions yet such as aplastic anemia?

Could be a range of things, I tend not to 'suggest' ideas for fear of petrifying folk for no reason.

 

[tepapa]

Could be a range of things, I tend not to 'suggest' ideas for fear of petrifying folk for no reason.

Which is why I asked if they had discussed any possible options such as AA to try and gain some more info before commenting any further.

The description of a low immune system may have a link.

 

[Still Farming]

Terrible and compulsory dipping twice a year and enforced by local Authorities and MAFF.
OP dips and their exposure same as Gulf war syndrome ,soldiers injected with op inoculations.
Fever, migraines, tired, muscle and limb aches ontop off the physical work to dip sheep in hot months of the year.
Was lots of cases ,don't know if anyone outlived to win cases brought about.
Guinea pigs we all were - terrible.

 

[ollie989898]

Terrible and compulsory dipping twice a year and enforced by locsl Authorities.
OP dips and their exposure same as Hulf war syndrome ,soldiers injected with op inoculations.
Fever, migraines, tired, muscle and limp aches onto off the physical work to dop sheep in hot months of the year.
Was lots of cases ,don't know if anyone outlived to win cases brought about.
Guinea pigs we all were - terrible.

There were lots and lots of people trying to bring law suits against the government/DoD and several big companies over the decades in the USA where military personnel or contractors or civillians staff working for various companies messing with chemical agents in their working lives later developed health conditions and believed the two were connected. There was a definite mentality of experimentation in the 50s and 60s there, during the Cold war when the race was on to find out things before the Soviets.

 

[Still Farming]

What was common place then now you won't go near with a sec.1 chem suit on?

 

[sodbuster2]

http://www.sheepdipsufferers.uk

 

[casemx 270]

Which is why I asked if they had discussed any possible options such as AA to try and gain some more info before commenting any further.

The description of a low immune system may have a link.

Thanks for your replies it's not AA and reading the symptoms for the op poisoning I didn't really think it's related to that either.They are looking into why the pneumonia was so bad but did say it could be just one of those things and I might have had a low immune system all my life .

 

[casemx 270]

The first time I had pneumonia 20 years ago I probably wasn't carefully enough looking after myself against dusts in the grain store and I think somehow I compromised my lungs and got pneumonia .But my wife keeps telling me I seem to pick up colds and coughs easily for years that the rest of the family don't get so possibly it is a weakness for me.

 

[Still Farming]

The first time I had pneumonia 20 years ago I probably wasn't carefully enough looking after myself against dusts in the grain store and I think somehow I compromised my lungs and got pneumonia .But my wife keeps telling me I seem to pick up colds and coughs easily for years that the rest of the family don't get so possibly it is a weakness for me.

Have you had the pneumonia injection

 

[casemx 270]

Have you had the pneumonia injection

Not yet got to have some blood tests first before I have both the pneumonia and flu jabs

 

[ollie989898]

I don't understand it in anything like the required detail but I would be interested in a link between aplastic anaemia or organophosphate poisoning and recurring bouts of pneumonia. My as yet incomplete of anatomy and physiology would logically suggest there would be a weak link between the organ systems involved.

Persistently low levels of immunoglobulins could be down to a wide variety of reasons. I am familiar with immunoglobulin therapy and certain related conditions but I know no more than that.

 

[Zetor]

I do believe there’s a link between neurological disorders and OP, there’s a unusually high number of sheep farmers in our are suffering from the above, 3 of our neighbours and my father are/have suffered from this unfortunately my father passed away in 2013 just 56.
Proving a link would be difficult as there’s lots of closed doors when we did some digging around.

 

[ollie989898]

I do believe there’s a link between neurological disorders and OP, there’s a unusually high number of sheep farmers in our are suffering from the above, 3 of our neighbours and my father are/have suffered from this unfortunately my father passed away in 2013 just 56.
Proving a link would be difficult as there’s lots of closed doors when we did some digging around.

Knowing how OPs work then I agree there would logically be a link between exposure to OPs (and carbamates) and long term neurological conditions. But it's the link with pneumonia where the link is way out the scope of my understanding.

 

[JD-Kid]

used to use OP's while direct drilling for springtails etc etc ended up grumpy as hell and even smelling the stuff now days can set me off a bit not bad but yer can feel a change in mood
mate. had to give up work he got very badly hit with it got that sick his family were working out pies or Sammys for the aftermatch was realy touch and go would of only been mid 40s. at the time

 

[xmilkr]

l had problems in the late eighties, not sheep dip but warble fly dressing, done the cattle for a number of years no problems then changed brand, believe it was tiguvon or something like that, within a week l had back ache within two weeks l managed to crawl out of the milking pit for the last time, l ended up laid on the floor for three months could not climb the stairs for twelve months. neurological problems and memory loss, went to the London Hospital for tropical diseases for tests, evidently op s attack the nerveuse system nerve endings which gave me the back and leg pains, worrying at the time but now l have a good laugh about it, like the time l set of to go to York as my memory was getting better and ended up fifty miles in the other direction at Patrington, a place l had never been to.