Our N addiction

[Dead Rabbits]

Oh god, spare us.

You realise that several billion people are alive today only because of the Haber process and Dr Borlaug, right?

As the Duck eluded to, inputs have to have an economic advantage, or they will not be used. There is no conning involved. The results have been demonstrated worldwide. And if the stuff did not work, or provided no economic benefit to the farmer, none of it would be sold.

This heralding of the low input farmer, is nothing of the sort. The people involved in this process are largely doing it not for some kind of social altruism, or because they are eco-friendly (farming is NOT never has and never will be eco-friendly and I will argue tooth and nail against any claim that it is) but because they are forced down that route for other reasons. Reasons like:

-Lack of capital
-Lack of profitability per unit product produced
-Lack out actual output (due to geographical or regional limitations, IE rainfall)

Next you will be trying to tell me that the poorest people in the world involved in subsistence agriculture, some of whom are or were involved in slash and burn agriculture, do not use nitrogen fertiliser out of their concerns for the environment?

Very interested to hear why farming is not, nor will it ever be eco friendly? And why you feel so strongly about this.?

 

[Pasty]

I think you will find you are arguing with two input salesmen so are probably wasting your words.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

I think you will find you are arguing with two input salesmen so are probably wasting your words.

I am careful to limit my time arguing with people on the internet. I am here to learn and hear of others experiences, so you never know. May hear something new

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I really quite enjoy the debate.. to me there is no argument. I've experienced both sides of the coin and know which one is the one I sit on..

The puzzling part is, a regular poster on here suggests that both sides can learn off the other..

I don't know if I can learn anything of value from industrial ag - except not to do it!
because it neglects the most important resource we've got

I do however appreciate the millions that owe their existence to current production methods- what about the future billions that will starve as a result of our greed?

We can't all pretend the "dustbowl" era didn't happen and won't happen again.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Give them 4 - 5 hrs for the northern morning . . .

Pete, maybe I should borrow your avatar, but maybe pink or red ? Obviously a commie leftist troll

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Ollie is always up late, hopefully he's watching informative soil health videos on YouTube
.... and will be back soon, to admit that it does really work very well...for the farmer but where does that leave the subsidised agronomists in 20 years?
Will they become bankers? or get ball skills and become flankers

Hey it's me who's the lefty- I wipe with my right! Maybe get a screenshot of Putin?


Or just copy mine, mate, agriculture needs more trolls- increasingly obviously

 

[Farmer Roy]

I think Putin finds favour with this mob, I've seen his praises sung high on these pages for his support of Russian agriculture ( among other things ) . . .

If I was compiling a list of my leftish heroes / role models, Putin would be that far to the right he wouldn't be on the page . . .

I may not have my facts right, but weren't ag subsidises in the UK after WW2 introduced by a Labour govt ? Didn't the Thatcher govt try to reduce them ?
I dunno why this lot hate the left so much, they appear to embrace state supported industry . . .

 

[Farmer Roy]

even in another post about desertification & using grazing techniques of Alan Savory's ( which replicate the massive grazing herds of North America & Southern Africa open grasslands - which are now at risk of erosion & desertification DUE to mans influences over the last 300 yrs ), its " oohh moan moan whinge, the greens wont like the methane from the animals moan moan" " doesn't affect us so I don't care " etc

we have an expression here ( which, being a bit of an anglophile at heart ) that I always hated because I thought it was such a negative generalised stereotype.
whingeing pommie ba stards


im beginning to think its true

 

[unlacedgecko]

It's the colonial mutual appreciation society LOL

Pete, maybe I should borrow your avatar, but maybe pink or red ? Obviously a commie leftist troll

I suggest rainbow

 

[Farmer Roy]

I'm fine with rainbow

 

[unlacedgecko]

I'm fine with rainbow

FFS, I can't upload a photo for some reason. Google rainbow troll and see the images. I thought you may appreciate the hair style...

My only question is, was such an impressive crop of hair receive grown using inorganic fertilisers and/or crop protection products?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The cup is half empty and leaking everywhere.... but let's keep using it....

Hey can you guys see my avatar anywhere?
I think the server may be in the dry docks?
I couldn't upload images of my biochar maker either



Maybe we're being sent a message...

 

[BenB]

whinging pommie pansies

whingeing pommie ba stards

You post some interesting stuff, but please....give it a break.

 

[Treg]

This has been a brilliant & informative thread, please don't let it just turn into a mud slinging one (Aimed at everyone! )

 

[Henarar]

Anyone heard the phrase if you don't have anything nice to say then shut up

 

[Farmer Roy]

You post some interesting stuff, but please....give it a break.

This has been a brilliant & informative thread, please don't let it just turn into a mud slinging one (Aimed at everyone! )

fair enough

point taken

 

[tinsheet]

Great thread this, find myself agreeing with our southern hemisphere contributors..

 

[Henarar]

Great thread this, find myself agreeing with our southern hemisphere contributors..

about what ?

 

[tinsheet]

about what ?

I really quite enjoy the debate.. to me there is no argument. I've experienced both sides of the coin and know which one is the one I sit on..

The puzzling part is, a regular poster on here suggests that both sides can learn off the other..

I don't know if I can learn anything of value from industrial ag - except not to do it!
because it neglects the most important resource we've got

I do however appreciate the millions that owe their existence to current production methods- what about the future billions that will starve as a result of our greed?

We can't all pretend the "dustbowl" era didn't happen and won't happen again.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Got it in one @tinsheet
Must have had a good sleep