Overdraft requirements for coming growing season.

Overdraft requirements will be

  • Higher

    Votes: 21 11.7%
  • Same

    Votes: 63 35.2%
  • Lower

    Votes: 18 10.1%
  • Minted do not need an overdraft

    Votes: 77 43.0%

  • Total voters
    179

nelly55

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Blimey, that’s a shock

Do working families only live hand to mouth ?
As a residential landlord I see this,infact there are farming families out there who work long hours for a living.Not everyone has the benefit of been rich in money or assets.Clearly the writer has not been nor see the hardship some families face.I have no sympathy for those who won’t work but lots of people put in long hours,low pay .What makes me really cross is the fat cat salaries or the goverment attitude everyone is earning £40k a year.As for banks they will do well to remember their own bailout
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
You know, this is frightening,
if the survey results are in any way accurate, half of us are anticipating the same or more borrowing ...in the face of unrelenting pressure on commodities, Boris's clear plan to allow more cheap imports, and the declared winding down of subs.

Don't do it boys and girls, you'll only be working for the bank.
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
You know, this is frightening,
if the survey results are in any way accurate, half of us are anticipating the same or more borrowing ...in the face of unrelenting pressure on commodities, Boris's clear plan to allow more cheap imports, and the declared winding down of subs.

Don't do it boys and girls, you'll only be working for the bank.

maybe it's a case of get what you can while you can!
 

fgc325j

Member
Blimey, that’s a shock

Do working families only live hand to mouth ?
Just been having my mug of tea and been going over the TV guide for tonight, on the
5 Star channel @8.00pm you can watch a programme titled "On benefits and 40 grand in debt" -
might be an eye-opener!!.
 

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
Public look at farmers on subsidy/aid and in debt same way too???
Maybes dunno???
lets see how many can make a living from Farming in the UK with Zero Subs & i'll bet the response is an eye opener.
Food is too cheap we all know that.
You can keep upping the cost of every single aspect of producing whatever it is & then no be able to then add on your extra costs at the point of selling
its just a take take system as far as the Farmer is concerned.
How do we right the balance ??? thats the bigger Q & do it fairly
 

fgc325j

Member
Base rate is less than 1%, a lot of personal borrowing if closer to 7-8%+, so lenders are would still be making good money even if the base rate went up another 1% and they didn’t raises lending rates.
Besides, Would it better to make a little less money or bankrupt the person who owes you a large sum and get nothing?
It was just a short while ago that the spotlight was on RBS, who had been "advising" their -too much in debt clients - to
get advice from a company who specialised with such cases. It turned out that this company was a subsiduary of RBS and
the advice consisted of getting the client to sell his assets, at fire sale prices. These assets were purchased by another
subsiduary, who then sold them off for substantial profit. A win win situation for RBS.
Number 1 with the banks is their shareholders, not their clients.
 

fgc325j

Member
The dangerous thing about an overdraft is that unlike a loan the overdraft facility can be withdrawn without notice, effectively bankrupting the borrower if they cant liquidate assets fast enough to meet the banks or their suppliers terms.

Do you think this sounds unlikely? It happened to many farmers in the south of Scotland after the succession of poor wet harvests in the late 1980's, with land and assets being sold at 'fire sale' prices in an often vain attempt to stay afloat.
Your bank might have a friendly face, but when the sh!t hits the fan they wont hesitate to ask for their pound of flesh...

I don't have an overdraft, and I don't trust my bank anymore than I would trust a pit of snakes.
Is Bossfarmer reading this???.
 

Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
It was just a short while ago that the spotlight was on RBS, who had been "advising" their -too much in debt clients - to
get advice from a company who specialised with such cases. It turned out that this company was a subsiduary of RBS and
the advice consisted of getting the client to sell his assets, at fire sale prices. These assets were purchased by another
subsiduary, who then sold them off for substantial profit. A win win situation for RBS.
Number 1 with the banks is their shareholders, not their clients.
Isn’t RBS part of Natwest? I could be way off on this though.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Are overdraft rates not going up considerably in the next couple of months, or is that just for unauthorised ones?
Just for unauthorised or authorised personal accounts. They are doing away with fixed fees at the same time, so if you remember to top it up quickly from another account the cost incurred may be less than previously. If you run a personal account in overdraft for weeks or months at a time, you will be fleeced.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Blimey, that’s a shock

Do working families only live hand to mouth ?
Yes , a lot do. I rent a few houses out and occasionally interview new prospective tenants. You would be amazed at the fallen faces when i insist on a couple of thousand bond/advance rental. They may turn up smartly dressed and with a nice but not new car, but the reality is that they haven’t got a pot to pee in. Nothing whatsoever saved.
 
Is Bossfarmer reading this???.
i have a facility but not in it just now, im not surprised people are in debt when i see the amount of new cars on the road, and not cheap cars either every man and his dog seems to buy a new discovery or evoque or beemer, do they not realise how much depreciation there is in the first 3 years????? i buy mine at 5 year old with 50k miles on them with full service history i find this the best value, no finance
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
The perceived view of the need to invest in business for very spurious productivity gains, versus paying the tax and cutting the debt
Does this tell the whole story,you May have an o/d but no hp or mortgage.You May ot have an o/d and all machinery on hp.Does having an o/d make you a bad person

Depends on what you use you od for I suppose. I have no overdraft. But I probably should. I have business mortgage. Instead of funding my crops with cash, it would be tidier to pay off mortgage and use od for farming.

An overdraft that is constantly at max is not really the idea. I tend to prefer to rely on trade credit as needed which is incredibly easy to get and can be factored into spray / fert / seed prices. It's worked well before to have the while of my growing crop inputs due to be contraed from my first grain cheque!
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 102 41.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 90 36.6%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 36 14.6%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 10 4.1%

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