P and O ferries in big trouble

[robs1]

ID check from the airline is for the airline’s benefit rather than anything official - revenue protection only, to prevent ticket resale. Flying internal with a decent airline you’ll be asked for neither. International flights will have passport check by airline too, but again that’s to prevent them getting fined by the receiving country and has no emigration status at all - HMG doesn’t care who leaves the country.

Mate flew from England to Scotland at the weekend and didn’t show any ID, as I’ve done many times in the past.

We were talking international not internal
Even ferries and tunnel require API for those leaving the UK now

 

[Highland Mule]

We were talking international not internal
Even ferries and tunnel require API for those leaving the UK now

Yup, international departure checks are done by the airline, not the authorities - to protect them and nothing to do with emigration.

You have to show ID at security at the departure airport, you wont get a boarding pass without a passport and certainly in the UK you have to filll out the API form

Security don’t check your ID for any right to travel reason. They might look at your ticket and driving license to confirm a match and that you’re allowed airside, but they won’t care about whether you have a right to travel.

Boarding passes - mostly printed at home now, or held digitally on your phone. They don’t need a passport, ever.

As I wrote, that’s all to protect the airline from revenue issues.

 

[robs1]

Yup, international departure checks are done by the airline, not the authorities - to protect them and nothing to do with emigration.

Security don’t check your ID for any right to travel reason. They might look at your ticket and driving license to confirm a match and that you’re allowed airside, but they won’t care about whether you have a right to travel.

Boarding passes - mostly printed at home now, or held digitally on your phone. They don’t need a passport, ever.

As I wrote, that’s all to protect the airline from revenue issues.

See what Ryan air says.

Ryanair recommends all passengers to either print their boarding pass prior to arriving at the airport, or to access their mobile boarding pass on their phone in order to save time and money at the airport.
Customers that do not check-in before arriving at the airport are required to pay the Airport Check-in Fee of €/£55.

How to print a boarding passTo begin, click ‘CHECK-IN’ followed by entering your ID Document Numbers in the relevant fields.Next you will review check-in extras and skip to your boarding pass.Scroll down passed your flight information and click 'VIEW BOARDING PASS.'

API is done for governments not airlines or ferries or the chunnel, its for security purposes.

Try looking this link up the relevant bit is a link towards the bottom

Evaluations and impact assessments

Evaluations assess the performance of an EU action. Impact assessments examine whether there is a need for an EU action and analyse the possible impacts of available solutions.

ec.europa.eu

 

[bobk]

See what Ryan air says.

Ryanair recommends all passengers to either print their boarding pass prior to arriving at the airport, or to access their mobile boarding pass on their phone in order to save time and money at the airport.
Customers that do not check-in before arriving at the airport are required to pay the Airport Check-in Fee of €/£55.

How to print a boarding passTo begin, click ‘CHECK-IN’ followed by entering your ID Document Numbers in the relevant fields.Next you will review check-in extras and skip to your boarding pass.Scroll down passed your flight information and click 'VIEW BOARDING PASS.'

API is done for governments not airlines or ferries or the chunnel, its for security purposes.

Try looking this link up especially the second paragraph

Evaluations and impact assessments

Evaluations assess the performance of an EU action. Impact assessments examine whether there is a need for an EU action and analyse the possible impacts of available solutions.

ec.europa.eu

Storing documents on phones is a disaster , we print all of them , people have forgot how to travel now ,

 

[robs1]

Storing documents on phones is a disaster , we print all of them , people have forgot how to travel now ,

We do it both ways and a photo copy of passport, cant be doing with hassle of lost documents or phone issues

 

[Highland Mule]

See what Ryan air says.

Ryanair recommends all passengers to either print their boarding pass prior to arriving at the airport, or to access their mobile boarding pass on their phone in order to save time and money at the airport.
Customers that do not check-in before arriving at the airport are required to pay the Airport Check-in Fee of €/£55.

How to print a boarding passTo begin, click ‘CHECK-IN’ followed by entering your ID Document Numbers in the relevant fields.Next you will review check-in extras and skip to your boarding pass.Scroll down passed your flight information and click 'VIEW BOARDING PASS.'

API is done for governments not airlines or ferries or the chunnel, its for security purposes.

Try looking this link up the relevant bit is a link towards the bottom

Evaluations and impact assessments

Evaluations assess the performance of an EU action. Impact assessments examine whether there is a need for an EU action and analyse the possible impacts of available solutions.

ec.europa.eu

Sorry, I was referring to full service airlines, not discounters like Ryanair. Ryanair ask for ID so that you don’t buy a whole plane worth of seats at €1 six months out and then flog them on eBay the week before travel for a profit. It’s revenue protection, not any security requirement (obviously - you can get to the same parts of the airport without ID if travelling domestically with a decent airline.

Airlines check your documents so that they know they won’t get fined for bringing you to a country you don’t have a right to enter - nothing in their checks is official/ government.

API is a newer development to allow countries to vet passengers prior to travel, isn’t universal and checks names against known lists, visas etc. It’s a government check but only used by a few countries outside of EI/ North America.

 

[robs1]

Sorry, I was referring to full service airlines, not discounters like Ryanair. Ryanair ask for ID so that you don’t buy a whole plane worth of seats at €1 six months out and then flog them on eBay the week before travel for a profit. It’s revenue protection, not any security requirement (obviously - you can get to the same parts of the airport without ID if travelling domestically with a decent airline.

Airlines check your documents so that they know they won’t get fined for bringing you to a country you don’t have a right to enter - nothing in their checks is official/ government.

API is a newer development to allow countries to vet passengers prior to travel, isn’t universal and checks names against known lists, visas etc. It’s a government check but only used by a few countries outside of EI/ North America.

Thanks for agreeing that API is compulsory and its for security purposes and that it links to your passport which links to your boarding pass and vice versa

 

[bobk]

Thanks for agreeing that API is compulsory and its for security purposes and that it links to your passport which links to your boarding pass and vice versa

Don't need API on planes .

 

[robs1]

Don't need API on planes .

You have to fill it out before you fly, I'm not sure about all companies but the ones we've used keep your details so once you log in for the next trip they have the details

 

[bobk]

You have to fill it out before you fly, I'm not sure about all companies but the ones we've used keep your details so once you log in for the next trip they have the details

Yes , that's correct , more to do with ease of access for the passenger
API on cross channel you fill in every time you travel

 

[robs1]

Yes , that's correct , more to do with ease of access for the passenger
API on cross channel you fill in every time you travel

Eurotunnel kept ours but when we went this jan their system was on the blink and we had to into reception at folkestone and get it sorted, luckily only about three other people there, had the same at Calais on the way back 5 wks later but they did have lots of people to help you. It seemed to be only people who booked through tour operators

 

[czechmate]

Bloody hell, just been back and forth and I don’t have the foggiest idea what you are talking about

 

[Highland Mule]

You have to fill it out before you fly, I'm not sure about all companies but the ones we've used keep your details so once you log in for the next trip they have the details

Which causes trouble for those of us with more than one passport.

Thanks for agreeing that API is compulsory and its for security purposes and that it links to your passport which links to your boarding pass and vice versa

It’s certainly not for security purposes - and only applies to a limited range of destinations. If you think I’m agreeing with you may I suggest you head back to school for some more reading lessons.

 

[robs1]

Which causes trouble for those of us with more than one passport.



It’s certainly not for security purposes - and only applies to a limited range of destinations. If you think I’m agreeing with you may I suggest you head back to school for some more reading lessons.

Of course it's for security reasons, that's why governments use it to track people, while not all countries use it those that do contain well over half the worlds population,including china and India, even russia uses it..
If it's not for security what do you think it's used for?

 

[JimAndy]

Have you ever entered a foreign country via an airport and not shown a passport?

BTW @robs1 what has this got to do with the post that you quoted me on, about a bunch of English travellers being upset that the EU respected their vote to leave the EU and treated then as visitors from a 3rd country, while other EU citizens were able to move freely ?

 

[robs1]

BTW @robs1 what has this got to do with the post that you quoted me on, about a bunch of English travellers being upset that the EU respected their vote to leave the EU and treated then as visitors from a 3rd country, while other EU citizens were able to move freely ?

Not sure what post you are referring to,

 

[Highland Mule]

Of course it's for security reasons, that's why governments use it to track people, while not all countries use it those that do contain well over half the worlds population,including china and India, even russia uses it..
If it's not for security what do you think it's used for?

Plenty more reasons why people are denied entry to a country beyond security - overstaying on previous visits, risk of illegal immigrants, visa abuse etc. It would be a very, very small percentage of those denied entry on security grounds.

 

[robs1]

Plenty more reasons why people are denied entry to a country beyond security - overstaying on previous visits, risk of illegal immigrants, visa abuse etc. It would be a very, very small percentage of those denied entry on security grounds.

I would have said all but over staying were (potentially) security threats.

 

[Highland Mule]

I would have said all but over staying were (potentially) security threats.

You’d be wrong then - just like you are about much of your claims in this exchange.

 

[JimAndy]

Not sure what post you are referring to,

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