Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding

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  1. Grain Buyer

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    so brushing over the fact some slag invited them upstairs for a threesome and then cried rape which should never have gone to court and thankfully they were acquitted. But how does the evidence taken during the case which should never have happened turn round and still bite them in the arse! Because their private messages are now public and seen to be demeaning to women they have both had their club contracts revoked!! Can anyone hand on heart say they have never sent a message which would look bad if read out of context in a public domain? Someone on the radio claiming they were ambassadors of the sport and should not have had messages like that on their phones seems to have missed the point.....it was private.
     
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  2. Grain Buyer

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    Just read another piece that said the term “spit roasting” was a degrading term. I’m really sorry but could someone recommend a more politically correct term for a nice young lady who’s prepared to make herself airtight with random men in an upstairs room at a party.
     
  3. Exfarmer

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    I would just suggest that you reamigine the situation, how about if this was your daughter who wnet to a party and got very drunk and this was the result.
    I am sure the not giulty to rape was correct, but surely men should be gentlemen
     
  4. james ds

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    She was seen to be enjoying herself and then called rape upstairs in his house in his bed . The two lads are named and shamed while her identity is protected , that is wrong.
     
  5. james ds

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    Maybe she raped them .
     
  6. Exfarmer

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    Dont think it was her was boasting about spit roasting. I think justice has been dealt to all parties
     
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  7. I read abit recently that was along the lines of girls are told not to be alone at night, not to be drunk, not to dress suggestively etc etc but no-one tells men that group nailing a girl when she is drunk is wrong and ,may come back to haunt them.
    I agree , I was with a girl who I had had relations with and she froze during an encounter with her clothes off, I stopped and put them back on her before we went to the main event IYKWIM, but it would have been easy to carry on and claim consent especially as we had been together before.
    Sometimes it pays to engage the brain.
     
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  8. james ds

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  9. Do you know anything about the history of the young lady in question?
     
  10. I agree with you, their identity should be kept protected until proven innocent or guilty. Their careers ruined over private matters, they didn’t do it in the public and their messages were on a private conversation. Near enough everyone has a dodgy message on their phone if took out of context.
    You wouldn’t be happy if they did it to your daughter and it does put a taint over Ulster but surely a suspension would have been adequate.
     
  11. CharcoalWally

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    Indeed it does , and that goes for the girl in this case too.

    Basic rules in life - if you think you might later regret something , then don't do it in the first place.

    Always take responsibility for your own safety.

    If you're stupid with a drink in you , then drink less.
     
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  12. james ds

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    She was texting a friend a couple of weeks earlier about what she would do if she was ever raped, some coincidence .
     
  13. Whitewalker

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    Suppose what I picked up on the messaging was how they comment on belfast slags . How is it women who sleep around are slags yet these guys were out on the pull night after night and happy and proud to share a woman at the same time . They are some how top shaggers . Double standards I think.

    Sorry affair for all involved.
     
  14. tractorted

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  15. Whitewalker

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    Opinions and actions derived from shi!!y morals
     
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  16. Exfarmer

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    The law on rape needs changing, there should be violent rape , when the victim is forced into sex by whatever means, and this should include sex with someone who is literally unconcious through drink or drugs.
    Then there should be innappropriate sexual contact, where men take advantage such as appears in this case.
    I think it would discourage a lot of ungentlemanly bragging
     
  17. Grain Buyer

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    Yes, and men never do stuff they regret after a few drinks. You can stop putting the “if it was your daughter “ slant on the whole argument as A) I’d hope to have brought her up better, and B) I don’t think I’d like to think of any sexual act being carried out on my daughter!! Even missionary with a kind gentleman taking his full weight on his elbows sounds absolutely vile when considered in the context of my daughter, so yes, I agree, two burly rugby lads going 10 nowt at both ends would not be nice if it was my daughter, I totally agree. But she wasn’t, and she’s dragged two innocent blokes through the court for what? I think your opinion would change if one of them was your son.
     
  18. The following example would pertain to your world then.
    A large chested 19 year old girl appears poolside with her family bursting out of a bikini that is three sizes too small for her. Her mother catches a young man staring at her chest......he's a dirty barstwered.
    Later a well endowed 20 year old man is getting out of the pool wearing his best tight budgie smugglers, mother looks over and tells the daughter to look away as he's wearing inappropriate clothing as he is a dirty barstwered..................
    Double standards methinks.
    Before you climb the lofty ladder to your high horse of all knowing self righteousness to pass judgment, you really should be in a position to know all the facts. The two players involved background and private conversations has been dissected in the media, but due to an injunction nothing has been disclosed about the other party (I do not use the word victim as it appears no crime has been committed).
    Surely it must seem strange that for a trial that lasted over 42 days that the jury was able to come to a unanimous decision in 3hrs 40mins?
    What should be done to combat un-ladylike bragging?
     
  19. Whitewalker

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    Unfortunately sex is a throw away act, what happened to sex in a marriage with commitment and connection,loyalty,respect and love.

    Forget about disrespecting other people , a large number disrespect themselves.

    We will do our best to educate our kids to understand how special being intimate with another person is and not to be freely giving it out to anyone.

    I hope all my kids have a fulfilling sex life in the context that is meant to be within a loving committed relationship like my wife and I have , something to be held and nurtured and respected and marvelled at and not treated as a cheap buzz while drunk on a Saturday night ,full of regret the following morning .
     
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  20. Grain Buyer

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    BORING!!!!!!
     

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