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[JCMaloney]

No restricted membership here in our club, only limitation is timing as we do all the admin etc for NCMD cards so need it dusted by March each year, anyone wishing to join after that has to either get their own or wait.
We are staffed by volunteers & have been running since 1968 so obviously doing it wrong. We also prefer a friendly relationship with our farmers/landowners and contributing finds to the database (self recording) and letting the landowner see what we find and keep what they want.

In fact I gave this to one landowner, as I said to him my pleasure was in the finding....not the keeping or the £££££`s.

As for Stewardship may I refer you to Section 5.5 of the ELS Handbook:

"You must inform us of large-scale metal-detecting events, including metal-detecting rallies, on any ELS agreement land at least 12 weeks before the event. You should provide all available details including the date, location, a map showing the parcels to be searched (marked with any areas excluded), and the expected number of participants. We will provide you with advice to ensure that the event does not conflict with the requirements and objectives of the ELS agreement."

Of course my comments could be unfounded, but they aren`t.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

I find it rather sad that you feel the need for an attack on Lets Go Digging with your unfounded, sarcastic remarks. More so because we are presently negotiating land under the stewardship scheme. Added to this, you are trying to mislead farmers who are on this forum as to our operation. What IS blatantly obvious that by commenting as you have, you are not so bothered about the way we run, but by the way we are developing and providing detectorists who cannot get into clubs or get land of their own and the opportunity to dig. I do wonder at anyone who feels the need to try and post negative and incorrect information on another persons attempt to expand their business, but as you have already said, it's a hobby, not a business. I am sure the farmers who I hand over payment to feel the same. In all honesty you are no different to a few other clubs who think because we are paying farmers a decent rate, you I'll lose your own permissions, which is again wholly inaccurate as we have no interest in preciously detected land. Lets Go Digging simply agrees with a landowner to pay a generous fee to have the right to detect their land. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just a few people like you that do not like the fact we are getting permissions in different parts of the country and you are concerned we will be in a field near you.

 

[JCMaloney]

I`m not "attacking you with unfounded sarcastic remarks". I`m sure the good folk of this forum are more than experienced with the ELS handbook.
That is a fact, I have had to deal with it as have many other organisers & landowners.
The other reality is that a proper club offers more to their members than "digs".
We have speakers, competitions, raffles, social evenings,trips and more.
We are a point of contact for FLO`s and work with local museums, historical groups and other events.
All voluntarily because we are far more interested in our local history than somebody waving ££££`s & playing "finders keepers".
We also raise funds for local charities and/or the farmers choice so we do understand there is almost an unwritten requirement to pay for access as with many other hobbies, however all that money is both accountable & open to the members & landowners through audited accounts & a committee.
I also have permissions in many counties, some of which is personal some of which is for the club.
Each and every landowner see`s what I/we find......there is no "finders keepers" in my book, remember that finds are the legal property of the landowner.
Am I concerned you will "be in a field near me" ?
Not at all.........there are millions of acres of land out there and far fewer participants in the hobby than some business models may think! So if you turn up so be it, its the landowners choice. The land and our club will be there long after you have moved on to pastures new chasing numbers & ££££££`s.
And with that I`m out and not giving you the pleasure of any further "bumps".
Good luck, join in with the forum and you never know what might happen.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

Personally, for you to take the time to post your innuendos (which are wholly inaccurate) I would suggest you may have an ulterior motive do doing so, primarily to dissuade farmers to grant us permission, by making inaccurate remarks in an effort to cast doubt on us a business. People have tried before but a farmer is primarily a business man and as long as we follow the guidelines ( which you keep insinuating we don't), we will continue to acquire land and provide our members with regular digs. A shame you feel so begrudging to anyone else looking to build an enterprise that will eventually not only ensure all detectorists will have the chance to detect on different fields in different areas but also support a deserving charity in a far bigger way than any small club could achieve. However, you are entitled to your opinion and whilst it is unfair, incorrect and misleading, I am sure at the end of the day any farmer reading it will see just what it is.

 

[Chris123]

Had this group at our place Sunday just gone. No problems at all with them did exactly as they said very well organised and Marshalled. Didn't leave any litter behind and filled in holes dug. Would recommend them.

 

[7610 super q]

OMG....the metal detectorists have fallen out.

BTW if you set foot on my place it's a 90-10 split thanks.

 

[JCMaloney]

@7610 super q no fall out on my part just seems some of us are driven by different things...we pay but don`t shout about it preferring to focus on the history and community aspect of the hobby. Payment is always a thorny issue....we support a number of charities but the landowner makes the choice.
The bit about stewardship was straight out of the book.....I`ve had to deal with it lots of times.
Equally there are a plethora of "new groups" popping up all over (mostly on fudgebook) ....downside to that is there aren`t enough folk to go around...... I should know how many of us they are as I am on the committee of the National Councilfor Metal Detecting (voluntary role).
Our club (average membership is 50-70 per year) has been around for just short of 50 years chugging along doing what we do and built lots of long term friendships with landowners, game keepers, estate managers & even land agents......we aren`t going away anytime soon.

80/20??

 

[Lets Go Digging]

The thing is, you are a club, where as we are not. We meet our members at events, not in the local pub or village hall. Our members are made up of people who cannot get into a local club. We try to hold an event every week in different areas so everyone gets the chance to enjoy their hobby, experience the social side of detecting and in order to do this, we offer the landowner a fee to be able to ensure agreement to what would likely be a refusal had we jus asked. We do not liken ourselves to you, but we still have solid relationships with our farmers, great support from our 1000's of members and every find at each event is photographed, re order and published to the gallery on our website www.letsgodigging.com

 

[Lets Go Digging]

OMG....the metal detectorists have fallen out.

BTW if you set foot on my place it's a 90-10 split thanks.

No probs, but in fairness, we would rather you have 50%

 

[Lets Go Digging]

Had this group at our place Sunday just gone. No problems at all with them did exactly as they said very well organised and Marshalled. Didn't leave any litter behind and filled in holes dug. Would recommend them.

Thanks Chris, your comments really appreciated. Proof is in the pudding, not in the remarks made by people who have not experienced the pleasure of history being uncovered beneath their Iand whilst being remunerated for it. Looking forward to the next visit on Sunday.

 

[7610 super q]

No probs, but in fairness, we would rather you have 50%

To be serious I'd rather relics related to the place either stayed with the property, or went to a local museum.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

I guess from a detectorist point of view, paying you to detect the land and then allowing you to keep everything would seem a little unfair. Additionally, most finds are rarely related to the property itself and anything that is, is usually offered to the landowner anyway. Most coins and artefacts have been dropped through the centuries by people passing and would have no connection to the landowner or his family. Leaving it in the ground is obviously no good to anyone as it will continue to perish.

 

[hole digger]

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/not-looking-for-metal-detecting.15526/

Its a hobby......not a business.

Notice you haven`t made any mention of recording finds with PAS, the slight issue of needing a derogation from NE for more than 50 folk on stewardship land........... probably by the by where £££`s are concerened

Sadly the, shall we say "more commercial group" aspect doesn`t help the smaller, long established clubs that have been fund raising for local charities or the landowners charity. It also lacks wa level of local involvement and genuine interest in history rather than focusing on £££££`s.

Nicely put, these people are bad for this hobby.

 

[hole digger]

Can you tell me are members covered by public liability insurance, not the FID or MCMD that only covers you for farm damage to the farm, are the local FLO informed about these events as there are over 50 people and must have at least 12 weeks notice. As a farmer I would not be happy letting anyone one on my farm apart from a local club, you seem to be letting anyone on your digs and you don't even know them. How do you know your not letting night hawkers on the land iv had murders with them.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

So, recovering history, photographing the finds and publishing them weekly to our website for all to see, informing the PAS and FLO of any finds that merit their involvement, like the recent Bishops Ring, Saxon Brooch and Bronze Age axe head, whilst paying farmers a generous rate to use their land, which in many cases is a welcome additional revenue, gaining land that in many cases was previously refused, which in turn reveals even more of our history, is bad for the hobby? I think people who make comments like yours are worse.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

Can you tell me are members covered by public liability insurance, not the FID or MCMD that only covers you for farm damage to the farm, are the local FLO informed about these events as there are over 50 people and must have at least 12 weeks notice. As a farmer I would not be happy letting anyone one on my farm apart from a local club, you seem to be letting anyone on your digs and you don't even know them. How do you know your not letting night hawkers on the land iv had murders with them.

You're no more a farmer than I am.

 

[hole digger]

You're no more a farmer than I am.

I have you I am and I'm into metal detecting and have a local club on my land who give the money to my local charity. So will you reply to what I asked?

 

[hole digger]

No restricted membership here in our club, only limitation is timing as we do all the admin etc for NCMD cards so need it dusted by March each year, anyone wishing to join after that has to either get their own or wait.
We are staffed by volunteers & have been running since 1968 so obviously doing it wrong. We also prefer a friendly relationship with our farmers/landowners and contributing finds to the database (self recording) and letting the landowner see what we find and keep what they want.

In fact I gave this to one landowner, as I said to him my pleasure was in the finding....not the keeping or the £££££`s.
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As for Stewardship may I refer you to Section 5.5 of the ELS Handbook:

"You must inform us of large-scale metal-detecting events, including metal-detecting rallies, on any ELS agreement land at least 12 weeks before the event. You should provide all available details including the date, location, a map showing the parcels to be searched (marked with any areas excluded), and the expected number of participants. We will provide you with advice to ensure that the event does not conflict with the requirements and objectives of the ELS agreement."

Of course my comments could be unfounded, but they aren`t.

Spot on iv asked the same things as a farmer I want to know, are they abiding by the treasure act when setting up these digs.

 

[Lets Go Digging]

No, I don't have to answer your questions. I will give you a statement of fact however and that is ALL finds are photographed and recorded at our events, all members have NCMD membership or equivalent which is accepted as the norm by every farmer nationwide and I find it rather strange that as a 'farmer' you have only just joined this forum and targeted me with your vast knowledge. You must think I am some sort of an idiot trying to post your questions on here. The only people who post like this are a few clubs who think they own the land in their area, restrict their membership so they can monopolise land and prevent new people to the hobby from being able to enjoy it. Please don't bother wasting any more of my time.

 

[JCMaloney]

May i suggest a good read? https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0091906814

Clubs do not "own the land", the landowners do...I have no issue with sharing.
Clubs do not "restrict" membership beyond the realms of common sense.
Our average membership "turnover" is 10% as people move away, pass away etc and we have grown from 35 to 55 members over the last 6 years. Anyone who applies gets "associate membership" and is invited to digs & meeting to see if they get on with us & vice versa, thats when they learn the basics and build friendships.
Each year we recruit the active associates as full members.

Personally I would rather go out with 30 people I know something about than 100 strangers who have the mindset "I`ve paid my money, I`m filling my pockets & stuff the landowner".

If you hadn`t chosen to reply with your seemingly usual venom & hostility you wouldn`t be "wasting any more of your time".

Thats my last contribution to this as we obviously have different outlooks on the hobby....I would rather it was based on friendship & trust built up over time, others would rather it was who`s got the fattest wallet or sees members as £££££`s.