Paying agronomist by yield results !

[ollie989898]

Think the clue is in the name isn’t it

I think you are missing a bit here.

Being an agronomist with control over, say, 20,000 acres gives you a great deal of commercial worth. Distributors know it. Manufacturers know it. All agronomists will surely have a palette of favoured products that they know well and use a lot: it makes little or no sense for me to be recommending a thousand different T2 products when a handful I know like the back of my hand will suffice. Does your guy specify particular products and what if he was to recommend something that isn't available from multiple homes?

In the situation above what is there to stop me using a lot of, I don't know- Amistar- and getting a rebate in my back pocket for using 1L/ha over the bulk of my cereal acreage, say 3000 litres and thanks very much?

 

[Gong Farmer]

Nothing wrong with an independent having access to a chemical supply, should the client need it? Fine line admittedly but I know some distributor reps who work on that basis.

 

[colhonk]

Does anything ever 'do the job' then?

Possibly, Not like they used to.

Don`t have blackgrass (exept what comes in the new seed) .Atlantis, not used it as it no longer works, same with axial pro.I have a rye grass problem and nothing seems to work anymore.
Having only used the plough on a couple of fields this centuary, may have to go back to using it

 

[SilliamWhale]

For god sake. Combineable crop agronomy really isn’t rocket science. This is ridiculous.
These distributor come agronomy companies are not needed in the future.

I could write down a prescription for growing corn on half a page of a4 and I still reckon I'd be not far off a good yield

 

[ajd132]

I could write down a prescription for growing corn on half a page of a4 and I still reckon I'd be not far off a good yield

Agronomists sometimes like to make out the are geniuses when you read some of the articles in the press, ‘We should be applying this excellent new active ingredient material to this cultivar in order to stop the spores of this septoria triticale causing innoculem that is bubbling in the bottom of the plant stand from rising up the plant causing a frothy looking crop’ f**k off just put some epoxi on and shut up.

 

[ajd132]

I think you are missing a bit here.

Being an agronomist with control over, say, 20,000 acres gives you a great deal of commercial worth. Distributors know it. Manufacturers know it. All agronomists will surely have a palette of favoured products that they know well and use a lot: it makes little or no sense for me to be recommending a thousand different T2 products when a handful I know like the back of my hand will suffice. Does your guy specify particular products and what if he was to recommend something that isn't available from multiple homes?

In the situation above what is there to stop me using a lot of, I don't know- Amistar- and getting a rebate in my back pocket for using 1L/ha over the bulk of my cereal acreage, say 3000 litres and thanks very much?

The whole supply and distribution network is completely bent.

 

[teslacoils]

My agron recommends me actives. I order them. He does me a ticket with what I've ordered. He tends to know if there are well priced options available.

 

[Spanish]

Since I do not call the agronomist and follow my experiences, intuitions and what I read anonymously on the internet, I think it is better for me. it is good to change and be flexible.

With ration and good weather, then the rest is almost all known in cereal

I have learned more in this forum and in other French than what many experts in Spain tell me

 

[fudge]

Whatever happened to collaboration? I do as I like then blame my agronomist if goes wrong. Perfect partnership IMO.

 

[Zippy768]

Not for me.
If the crop yields well, I have done a great job.
If the crop yields badly, it is of course the agronomist fault!
Why try to fix something that isnt broken??

 

[Clive]

In the situation above what is there to stop me using a lot of, I don't know- Amistar- and getting a rebate in my back pocket for using 1L/ha over the bulk of my cereal acreage, say 3000 litres and thanks very much?

because any "independent" advisor doing so would no longer be independent - their worth would instantly be gone and they would get sacked. Your post makes me think that any agronomist who has worked in distribution has become so institutionalized that its almost impossible for you to understand how it can work without the situation your post outlines !


Independent MEANS independent - ie advice is completely de-coupled from supply of product. You advice it and I buy it from wherever I want, you as an agronomist have nothing to do with my purchases so have no mechanism for rebate etc


That all said however I have mellowed a bit on my view of distributor agronomy - I can see that for a farm of a certain size it can work, lets not forget that an independent is not free ! - this is certainly not a straightforward discussion, fact is different things suit different people and circumstances

I think there is a sound environmental case that advice should be legally decoupled from supply and I think we could well see that in the future

 

[Mostly this wik]

I added up what my corn cost so stopped doing it agronomist havent seen lately no bill less work easy!!!

 

[Hindsight]

Whatever happened to collaboration? I do as I like then blame my agronomist if goes wrong. Perfect partnership IMO.

Yes, you would only be paying a therapist otherwise.

 

[fudge]

Yes, you would only be paying a therapist otherwise.

I am strictly NHS comrade.

 

[Hindsight]

I am strictly NHS comrade.

 

[Lincsman]

So whats the opinion of this scenario:

Agronomist (however he is paid) says spray "x", it costs £20/ha, you spray and after rigorous trails and weighing prove it yielded more crop at a value of £20.10, 6 days later and crop value has dropped and the extra yield amounts to £19.80.

Was he right to recommend or should the farmer have said,.. dont think so, we will not bother?

My agronomist has been aware for years I want to see 3 times its cost back virtually guaranteed or I dont bother, where some farmers apparently only want see its cost back as a minimum.

 

[ajd132]

So whats the opinion of this scenario:

Agronomist (however he is paid) says spray "x", it costs £20/ha, you spray and after rigorous trails and weighing prove it yielded more crop at a value of £20.10, 6 days later and crop value has dropped and the extra yield amounts to £19.80.

Was he right to recommend or should the farmer have said,.. dont think so, we will not bother?

My agronomist has been aware for years I want to see 3 times its cost back virtually guaranteed or I dont bother, where some farmers apparently only want see its cost back as a minimum.

It’s too complicated and another way to flog gear to witless farmers who should really be more clued up to what is an incredibly important part of their profession.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Yes, you would only be paying a therapist otherwise.

And you've got someone to be best man at your wedding!

 

[SilliamWhale]

because any "independent" advisor doing so would no longer be independent - their worth would instantly be gone and they would get sacked. Your post makes me think that any agronomist who has worked in distribution has become so institutionalized that its almost impossible for you to understand how it can work without the situation your post outlines !


Independent MEANS independent - ie advice is completely de-coupled from supply of product. You advice it and I buy it from wherever I want, you as an agronomist have nothing to do with my purchases so have no mechanism for rebate etc


That all said however I have mellowed a bit on my view of distributor agronomy - I can see that for a farm of a certain size it can work, lets not forget that an independent is not free ! - this is certainly not a straightforward discussion, fact is different things suit different people and circumstances

I think there is a sound environmental case that advice should be legally decoupled from supply and I think we could well see that in the future

You've spent 15 years slagging off distributor agronomy and now you've turned!

 

[Courier]

At what stage could the agronomist come back at the farmer and blame him for missing a spraying window ?