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- Hereford
Take the politics out and it's a good post !
Paying farmers a lump sum to retire
- Thread starter Sid
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Another hair brained scheme,one how many young can buy a farm,how many young don’t want to work the hours,how many young won’t work for next to nothing,how many young will only drive the biggest flashy machinery.let’s face it the younger generation won’t put up with the life styles us oldies put up with.Farmimg is a lifestyle not a nine to five job.I find it an absolute insult to say I don’t care about the environment.For one I have never been on a plane and my carbon footprint is low,second my farm is full of wildlife because we have livestock and most important the wildlife wants to live here.They say it takes a generation to make a farm,and one to loose it only time will tell.Now before anyone tells me off yes there are some really keen young farmers most who will never get a chance to farm because they haven’t a farm to inherit or the money to buy one.So maybe Boris should ask why did council smallholdings get sold off.
Carbon off setting. We have bought a swathe of land, ruined the local community , so f##k off and let us pollute the world. Its the new way big business will get around its carbon obligations. Its going to be very harmfull to poor countries who will sell off assets to these firms
. They think my old man is going to give up if he’s given £50k....... I don’t think so!!
- Location
- South Molton
Quite good at ruining local communities is Tescos with their out of town stores and bland faceless express shops.
nails
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- Location
- East Dorset
Really? plus your state pension, plus a private pension probably. Are you hoping to go on world cruises on the back of a payout/
midlandslad
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- Location
- Midlands
I can see there being limited interest in this other than those that were actively looking to retire anway.
For those tenants on AHA agreements, why would you give up a very low rent house in a rural location, where a contract farmer effectively pays you a pension.
For owner occupiers it is a drop in the ocean of net worth so not enough to influence decisions.
The hard reality of the removal of BPS has not hit home for many and in a few years time when they are all complaining, DEFRA can say we offered you an exit scheme.
For those tenants on AHA agreements, why would you give up a very low rent house in a rural location, where a contract farmer effectively pays you a pension.
For owner occupiers it is a drop in the ocean of net worth so not enough to influence decisions.
The hard reality of the removal of BPS has not hit home for many and in a few years time when they are all complaining, DEFRA can say we offered you an exit scheme.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There will be rafts of the salmon pinks designing this so you can get the lump sum, shove a son down as the farmer, and essentially change nothing.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
If taking this in any way devalues your land, then it's a dead duck.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
nails
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- Location
- East Dorset
Yeah that is about right. Makes me laugh my effing head off when i read how all these farmers can manage without subsidy ,yet when late November comes . Where is my subsidy? thread appearsAn awful lot of crap posted above; whining about meager sums offered after taking handouts for decades, claiming how green geriatrics are as an excuse for not farming 'efficiently', and complaining about a free market...!
Anyone reading this thread could be forgiven for thinking that UK ag' is populated by a bunch of no-hopers who can't run a business on their own two feet and are afraid of competition because they know they aren't or can't be competitive. (Apologies to those who aren't ag' benefit claimants, this does not include you)
The only thing that anyone will have to complain about is if imported produce is to a lower standard.
Can't you?
midlandslad
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- Location
- Midlands
As I understand it, you will have to surrender the entitlements and you will no longer be able to claim the dwindling BPS payments on the land, unless of course you then buy new entitlements.
Therefore the above will be of no interest to owner occupiers as they would feel the pain in terms of reduced rental income.
- Location
- South Molton
Could be akin to throwing a drowning man a life raft and a footpump.
Devils in the detail.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Yes, that's fair enough. So long as the new farmer can claim elms etc...
Perhaps pay out the old farts at the NFU and get some fresh thinking directly elected upstarts in
What is the true age-profile in UK farming?
In this part of the world, Southern Scotland, there are are young folk in almost all the farms I know. There are plenty of old folk as well, but they are the ones who have guided the young folk in, mainly as family members, and who by steady leadership, have ensured that the farm remains viable.
But these old codgers also skew the age profile by giving their age on census forms where there is no facility to list the ages of all those on the farm - a serious omission by those bureaucrats who bodge up these forms in such a naive and slapdash way.
And what about the ''Law of Unforeseen Consequences? How will young folk from outside farming get the capital to take on a vacated farm? And will they be able to compete with existing farmers who wish to progress or expand?
Why is it that some seemingly intelligent folk have poor judgement?
In this part of the world, Southern Scotland, there are are young folk in almost all the farms I know. There are plenty of old folk as well, but they are the ones who have guided the young folk in, mainly as family members, and who by steady leadership, have ensured that the farm remains viable.
But these old codgers also skew the age profile by giving their age on census forms where there is no facility to list the ages of all those on the farm - a serious omission by those bureaucrats who bodge up these forms in such a naive and slapdash way.
And what about the ''Law of Unforeseen Consequences? How will young folk from outside farming get the capital to take on a vacated farm? And will they be able to compete with existing farmers who wish to progress or expand?
Why is it that some seemingly intelligent folk have poor judgement?
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
Can't see why any farmer would object to this idea.
For an older owner occupier, and extra tax free £100k might nudge him to retire rather than carry on for another year or two..
For a tenant, the payout would be a massive boost to his retirement fund.
Back in the 1980's there were farm amalgamation Grants to encourage small farmers to quit. One of our neighbours gave up and the farm (about 30 acres) was split between us and another neighbour. We got sweet FA as the landlord claimed the grant!
For an older owner occupier, and extra tax free £100k might nudge him to retire rather than carry on for another year or two..
For a tenant, the payout would be a massive boost to his retirement fund.
Back in the 1980's there were farm amalgamation Grants to encourage small farmers to quit. One of our neighbours gave up and the farm (about 30 acres) was split between us and another neighbour. We got sweet FA as the landlord claimed the grant!
Think those figure are totally misleading, there is no way 60% of farm income is from payments, 60% of any profits more like. It's articles like this that make the public think we are a load of scroungers & should be put right at once by our NFU if they are not to busy!
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
It's a bit rich that lots of TFF posters say farming is always under attack from XR, PETA, environmentalists etc, profits are low (can't pay for H&S) can't get staff and numerous other gripes, but when a golden goodbye is offered, everyone says it's not enough!
What's the old saying "for two pins, I'd pack it in tomorrow" but not for £100 grand, apparently.
What's the old saying "for two pins, I'd pack it in tomorrow" but not for £100 grand, apparently.