PC Andrew Harper

[Av Gorritt]

I also notice that the American service wife , who was involved in the "Wrong side of the road " motorbike tragedy , was not diplomatically exempted , as was reported earlier . Still don't think she'll come back here though , the US authorities say that the extradition refusal was final .

 

[Jhabc]

No not seen that. Another copper burnt badly with a Cornish eviction incident I hear

Have a look at

400 plus Police and the Counter Terrorism unit with stun grenades. They are making a point!

 

[betweenthelines]

I also notice that the American service wife , who was involved in the "Wrong side of the road " motorbike tragedy , was not diplomatically exempted , as was reported earlier . Still don't think she'll come back here though , the US authorities say that the extradition refusal was final .

If you were her, would you come back?

Already tried and convicted by public opinion, there's no way she would get a fair trial

 

[steveR]

If you were her, would you come back?

Already tried and convicted by public opinion, there's no way she would get a fair trial

Sadly, true.

 

[teslacoils]

Have a look at

400 plus Police and the Counter Terrorism unit with stun grenades. They are making a point!

Get some covert gps trackers on those transits while they are there.

 

[Av Gorritt]

If you were her, would you come back?

Already tried and convicted by public opinion, there's no way she would get a fair trial

I think if I was the motorcyclists parents , I would be mightily disappointed that nobody will be brought to trial for his death . Probably her status should have been properly investigated before she was allowed to leave this country , and her diplomatic immunity (or not) properly ascertained . Sadly the whole affair has gone on far too long for a proper assessment of the rights and wrongs .

 

[Angus]

I think if I was the motorcyclists parents , I would be mightily disappointed that nobody will be brought to trial for his death . Probably her status should have been properly investigated before she was allowed to leave this country , and her diplomatic immunity (or not) properly ascertained . Sadly the whole affair has gone on far too long for a proper assessment of the rights and wrongs .

As I understand it, her husband was a member of the American armed forces and not on the diplomats list, therfore there could not be a claim of diplomatic immunity. However, if misinformation is supplied and repeated often enough the general public will assume it to be correct.

Was she given permission to leave this country, or can anyone claim diplomatic immunity and it cannot be verified?

 

[betweenthelines]

As I understand it, her husband was a member of the American armed forces and not on the diplomats list, therfore there could not be a claim of diplomatic immunity. However, if misinformation is supplied and repeated often enough the general public will assume it to be correct.

Was she given permission to leave this country, or can anyone claim diplomatic immunity and it cannot be verified?

My understanding was that both her and her husband were entitled to Diplomatic status. Lots of Service personnel are on Diplomatic Duties.

I find it strange that the Police despite claiming to have CCTV evidence, failed to charge her when she was interviewed, or indeed later, as she only left the UK more than 2 weeks after the accident.

 

[ollie989898]

I think if I was the motorcyclists parents , I would be mightily disappointed that nobody will be brought to trial for his death . Probably her status should have been properly investigated before she was allowed to leave this country , and her diplomatic immunity (or not) properly ascertained . Sadly the whole affair has gone on far too long for a proper assessment of the rights and wrongs .

Makes no odds if the woman had diplomatic immunity or not; once someone is abroad you are relying on the cooperation of their government to agree to extradite them. Many governments will not comply with requests from the UK on principle.

 

[TechWise]

Makes no odds if the woman had diplomatic immunity or not; once someone is abroad you are relying on the cooperation of their government to agree to extradite them. Many governments will not comply with requests from the UK on principle.

It's a bit of a kick in the teeth when that country happens to be your closest ally though. Still, the Americans probably feel the same way when we refuse to extradite terrorists in case big bad Uncle Sam sentences them to death.

 

[bluebell]

how the yell arnt questions asked about the amount of money paid out to lawyers ? public aid ? same as each one of the migrants landing in boats, each one will be toated by lawyers wanting to take their cases on ? fees paid by us the public being made to look like fools, question how much legal aid is paid out each year ? who gets it ? what fat legal aid firms are earning?

 

[teslacoils]

I'd much rather support a family of refugees, than one British parasite lawyer tanking on his / her own government.

 

[bluebell]

yet if i wanted to defend my self or my company, no doubt i wouldnt qualify for legal aid ? so in many cases hard luck you might not bother alright if you are a rich or famous person ? what so angered me was these ambulance type lawyers taking on sperious to say the least cases recently of our young brave servicemen and women? all costing many millions of pounds and undermining the morale of troops ? even now its an utter discrace that after many years ex soldiers could face prosecution from so called incidents in northern ireland when known ira terriosts were given immunity from prosecution ? please excuse gramma ?

 

[teslacoils]

Govt should have the best procurement teams, best accountants and best lawyers. Seems it has none of them.

 

[Still Farming]

Battle for Dale Farm on tv Channel 5 now.

 

[bluebell]

i live not far from dale farm, anyone who had anything todo with the scum who lived there would have told a very different story? one lady i knew well worked in the postoffice where they shopped, now she was one of the nicest people you could meet, made her life a living hell? like a lot of these TV documentaries i thought it very one sided, one sided in the sense of all the sympathy was with the travellers? so called my uncle at the time said load of rubbish they all own properties in keelel ireland not spelt like that bet you get the point? cost our local council so the papers said so must be true? getting on for £18 million to evict them?

 

[JP1]

I learn that a police officer was shot dead by someone in custody at Croydon police station. I am still in favour of increasing penalties for harming or killing a police officer

Police officer shot dead at Croydon Custody Centre

The long-serving sergeant was an "inspiration to all who knew him", says one colleague.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[TechWise]

I learn that a police officer was shot dead by someone in custody at Croydon police station. I am still in favour of increasing penalties for harming or killing a police officer

Police officer shot dead at Croydon Custody Centre

The long-serving sergeant was an "inspiration to all who knew him", says one colleague.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thoughts are with the family and colleagues as always. I'll refrain from speculation at this stage, other than to say that I hope lessons are learned so that this never happens again. Being injured while out on duty is bad enough, but for it to happen in the apparent safety of the police station is particularly shocking.

The subject of increasing penalties for harming police officers was debated on another forum I am a part of which has a thread where serving police officers share their thoughts. It ended in something of a split.

I am personally opposed to the idea. Not because I'm in any way lenient towards the criminals, but because I don't like the idea of having to draw a line somewhere. I lump people who attack firefighters in with the people who attack police. Frankly, I class people who attack paramedics as a degree worse. If you're going to put firefighters, police and paramedics into a special category, then you really ought to put police community support officers, volunteer medics, border force and prison officers in with them as well as they're all on the front line. Go a step further, and if you've included prison officers then you really ought to include criminal justice social workers who undertake interviews in prisons and police custody suites. Add to that police civilian investigative staff and the social work assistants who also do similar jobs. Once you've considered all those people, the list is really rather large. Then I came in mind of the appauling case of Fusilier Lee Rigby and the vermin who killed him. Members of the armed forces really ought to go on our list as well. One could even argue that assualting a police officer who is likely to be fit and strong and wearing protective gear with defensive equipment is not as bad as assualting a defenceless pensioner, so perhaps everyone over the age of 65 ought to go on the list as well.

I think it's far better to deal with all criminals who assault innocent people equally harshly. An end to automatic release before the sentence is served. An end to letting women off with crimes who get themselves pregnant just before the trial. An end to giving up pursuing fines from people who never pay them. An end to endless community payback orders for people who never turn up to serve them. And yes, frankly, the only thing that will cure some violent criminals is a long drop to the end of a short rope.

 

[JP1]

Thoughts are with the family and colleagues as always. I'll refrain from speculation at this stage, other than to say that I hope lessons are learned so that this never happens again. Being injured while out on duty is bad enough, but for it to happen in the apparent safety of the police station is particularly shocking.

The subject of increasing penalties for harming police officers was debated on another forum I am a part of which has a thread where serving police officers share their thoughts. It ended in something of a split.

I am personally opposed to the idea. Not because I'm in any way lenient towards the criminals, but because I don't like the idea of having to draw a line somewhere. I lump people who attack firefighters in with the people who attack police. Frankly, I class people who attack paramedics as a degree worse. If you're going to put firefighters, police and paramedics into a special category, then you really ought to put police community support officers, volunteer medics, border force and prison officers in with them as well as they're all on the front line. Go a step further, and if you've included prison officers then you really ought to include criminal justice social workers who undertake interviews in prisons and police custody suites. Add to that police civilian investigative staff and the social work assistants who also do similar jobs. Once you've considered all those people, the list is really rather large. Then I came in mind of the appauling case of Fusilier Lee Rigby and the vermin who killed him. Members of the armed forces really ought to go on our list as well. One could even argue that assualting a police officer who is likely to be fit and strong and wearing protective gear with defensive equipment is not as bad as assualting a defenceless pensioner, so perhaps everyone over the age of 65 ought to go on the list as well.

I think it's far better to deal with all criminals who assault innocent people equally harshly. An end to automatic release before the sentence is served. An end to letting women off with crimes who get themselves pregnant just before the trial. An end to giving up pursuing fines from people who never pay them. An end to endless community payback orders for people who never turn up to serve them. And yes, frankly, the only thing that will cure some violent criminals is a long drop to the end of a short rope.

Well written. I'd agree with most points you stated. I am always amazed with the minority of motorists who will not yield for a fire appliance or ambualnce responding; after all they are doing it for a reason.

Maybe turn the discussion around again to try to ge criminals to really think. A conviction for assault or murder for a police officer will never result in any remission from sentence length

 

[JCMaloney]

The wheels of justice seem to be moving in the right direction...

Killer of PC Andrew Harper 'should get life sentence'

PC Andrew Harper paid the "ultimate price for his bravery" when he was killed, a court hears.

www.bbc.co.uk