PC Andrew Harper

JCfarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
warks
Pikeys have always got away with murder and this case proves it! It stinks!
3 lowlife scum in a car with a least 2 of them looking back to see PC Harper being dragged along the tarmac clothes and flesh ripped off down to the bone! He wouldn't be very far back from the car I know!
They smile in court and the jury needs protection!?
The Human Rights Act is NOT fit for purpose, it is used by criminals/scum to their advantage and rarely by the ones it was brought in to really protect.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
If this had happened in the US they would have either all given up straight away and been removed from the vehicle at gunpoint with officers at a safe distance or they would all have been shot when they tried to get away. The current method of police running up to vehicles and trying to pull doors open and detain people is far too dangerous.
Arming and retraining all officers in vehicle stops and allowing police to use lethal force when officer lives are in danger would stop a large proportion of situations when criminals try to flee.
Running from the police is just a game for some, we need to change the rules of the game.
I remember reading many years ago that the Eskinimando police in Germany (think permanent paramilitary riot police) used 12 bores with solid steel lug shot to shatter engine blocks and prevent cars escaping. Seems am ideal solution in this type of event with little risk to either party.
 

Jameshenry

Member
Location
Cornwall
It is high time this country sorted the prison system.

These 'people' killed a man in a most hideous way. They should be locked up until their lives expire.

Human rights act is complete waste of time and one of the reasons the UK is unable to deport serious criminals or is forced to take back known terrorists. Again, people like this should be locked up forever. We are far too liberal in these matters.

People who are willing to break the laws of society repeatedly or in such a serious way should be confined and removed from that society permanently. Enough is enough.
Nevermind locked up until there lives expire...why should we as tax payers pay for there keep in a soft prison with all modern comforts,
Barstewards should be whipped until within an inch of there lives and strung up from a tree :mad: :mad:
 
Nevermind locked up until there lives expire...why should we as tax payers pay for there keep in a soft prison with all modern comforts,
Barstewards should be whipped until within an inch of there lives and strung up from a tree :mad: :mad:

This is not Afghanistan. I'm all for locking people up for life, they should be made to work 45 hours a week doing something useful. Prison service should be self funding.

Low security prisoners should be in orange overalls working in chain gangs litter picking at the side of the road.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
This is not Afghanistan. I'm all for locking people up for life, they should be made to work 45 hours a week doing something useful. Prison service should be self funding.

Low security prisoners should be in orange overalls working in chain gangs litter picking at the side of the road.

And a couple of hour on the local whipping post.
 
LISSIE HARPER'S BATTLE FOR JUSTICE.

Dear Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, David Blunkett and any other person in which has the power, moral value and sheer strength of character to right such a despicable wrong for our Country…

I am sure you are acutely aware of the details of the recent trial for the conviction of my late husband PC Andrew Harper’s killers. Not only was this the second of two trials as the first one eventually had to be cancelled due to Covid-19, but it was also an utter injustice. Not only were the three remorseless men found Not-guilty by a possibly influenced jury of 11, but the way in which the trial was conducted, the suspected interference with the jury and the manner in which the defendants behaved was a total disregard for any legal justice system. Myself among what appears to be almost the whole country are frankly outraged and determined to have this miscarriage of justice overturned.

After the worst possible year any person can face I am immensely drained and devastated, More to the point I am not even sure if there is realistically anything that can be achieved by this letter. However what I will say is that if there is even the slightest chance that this abominable injustice can be rectified then I will do everything I possibly can to ensure that it is.

Not only was my husband brutally killed in the most savage and cruel way but he was also an on duty devoted police officer coming to the aid of an innocent member of the public whilst the defendants attempted to commit crimes as they admit without guilt that they do as a lifestyle.

There are many, many details in which made this recent trial atrociously below board including the fact that one member of the jury was dismissed well into the trial due to being over friendly with the defendants as well as their families, in addition to making inappropriate comments to the defendants in court in which was witnessed by members of the prison service. On top of this following the first trial it was suspected that there could be jury interference and was therefore necessary for the jury to be given special protection by the police after detectives had intel to suggest that family of the defendants were making plans to intimidate them. This alone in our eyes should be enough grounds for a retrial.

Further to this there had been moments in which the jury seemed to be behaving questionably, for example smiling up at the defendants families, as well as being seen to run out of court very quickly during lunch breaks possibly in order to avoid the swarms of traveller families camped out outside the court.

Believe me, I could go on and on about all of the aspects of this case that quite frankly have not been considered. It is important to note that the Police and detectives had left no stone unturned in order to provide a wealth of evidence against the defendants to show how culpable they are for the murder of my husband. The prosecution barristers made our case spectacularly and with clarity, dignified in the truth.

On the other side of things laid barely a defence whatsoever. Even the reconstruction in which to so many showed clearly that at least Henry Long would have known that he was dragging a heavy person behind his car played heavily to a conviction of murder. The jury by all accounts had a very clear journey to follow, a story of indisputable facts and detail was right there in front of them for all to see. These are the reasons that leave the entire country shocked and mystified as to how this could have possibly been a trial of honest and equitable decision.

The horrific details of the way in which my husband was killed need no repetition, once heard leave a devastating imprint on the minds of anyone who hears them. So for those who have sat day after day seeing footage and photos more horrifying than any they had probably ever had the misfortune of seeing before, for those who have sat whilst coroners divulge the senseless and heartbreaking injuries that Andrew received that night back in August, how is it at all possible to come to any conclusion other than a guilty verdict of murder?

I am very aware that myself and our families are of course biased, we will always know the truth, and in honesty if this had been a fair trial I may have been more inclined to leave it be and try to accept the verdict that has been reached. However along with the whole world it seems to me, we can all see as plain as day that it clearly has not been a fair trial whatsoever.

So whomever it may be that I must speak to, whoever the correct person, establishment or government body that has the power to help me to claim justice for an innocent man robbed of his life, to ensure that these three immoral, barbaric and shameless men are made to pay for their crimes, not only for Andrew but also for our whole country. I will keep fighting on behalf of Andrew, the future that was stolen from us and also the victims who find themselves in this unjustly situation in the future.

After all, who are we if we allow our legal system to fail us? What is this country if it does not provide justice for the innocent? What does it say to the public and the Police officers, old and new if every day they go out and put themselves at risk to detain these criminals just to witness them be treated so exceptionally lightly in the eyes of the law? It says that we are weak, that we will roll over to the despicable thieves and vile miscreants of this world and literally let them get away with murder.

In total honesty I could write and write until my fingers hurt, I could pour my heart further into this letter, I could scream and shout and stand with fierce determination in the eyes of opposition over this crucial matter. After all what else can I do for my husband now? My heart bleeds for the life that was so selfishly taken from us, but yet in arduous restraint I will not go on any further.

So I implore you to hear my words, see the facts that are laid out before us, and I ask with no expectations other than hope that you might help me to make these changes be considered, to ensure that Andrew is given the retrial that he unquestionably deserves and to see that the justice system in our country is the solid ethical foundation that it rightly should be. Not the joke that so many of us now view it to be.

Please feel able to share my letter far and wide to whomever you see to be appropriate and impactful.

Kindest regards
Lissie Harper

utter scum
 

Daniel

Member
Well you can punch someone in the face and they could die...

Its nothing to do with the human rights act

The likelihood of someone dying when a punch is thrown is tiny, especially in a drunken bar fight, thus you can accept a manslaughter conviction.

The likelihood of someone surviving being dragged a mile behind a car is also tiny, thus it should be a murder conviction.
 

JCfarmer

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
warks
LISSIE HARPER'S BATTLE FOR JUSTICE.

Dear Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, David Blunkett and any other person in which has the power, moral value and sheer strength of character to right such a despicable wrong for our Country…

I am sure you are acutely aware of the details of the recent trial for the conviction of my late husband PC Andrew Harper’s killers. Not only was this the second of two trials as the first one eventually had to be cancelled due to Covid-19, but it was also an utter injustice. Not only were the three remorseless men found Not-guilty by a possibly influenced jury of 11, but the way in which the trial was conducted, the suspected interference with the jury and the manner in which the defendants behaved was a total disregard for any legal justice system. Myself among what appears to be almost the whole country are frankly outraged and determined to have this miscarriage of justice overturned.

After the worst possible year any person can face I am immensely drained and devastated, More to the point I am not even sure if there is realistically anything that can be achieved by this letter. However what I will say is that if there is even the slightest chance that this abominable injustice can be rectified then I will do everything I possibly can to ensure that it is.

Not only was my husband brutally killed in the most savage and cruel way but he was also an on duty devoted police officer coming to the aid of an innocent member of the public whilst the defendants attempted to commit crimes as they admit without guilt that they do as a lifestyle.

There are many, many details in which made this recent trial atrociously below board including the fact that one member of the jury was dismissed well into the trial due to being over friendly with the defendants as well as their families, in addition to making inappropriate comments to the defendants in court in which was witnessed by members of the prison service. On top of this following the first trial it was suspected that there could be jury interference and was therefore necessary for the jury to be given special protection by the police after detectives had intel to suggest that family of the defendants were making plans to intimidate them. This alone in our eyes should be enough grounds for a retrial.

Further to this there had been moments in which the jury seemed to be behaving questionably, for example smiling up at the defendants families, as well as being seen to run out of court very quickly during lunch breaks possibly in order to avoid the swarms of traveller families camped out outside the court.

Believe me, I could go on and on about all of the aspects of this case that quite frankly have not been considered. It is important to note that the Police and detectives had left no stone unturned in order to provide a wealth of evidence against the defendants to show how culpable they are for the murder of my husband. The prosecution barristers made our case spectacularly and with clarity, dignified in the truth.

On the other side of things laid barely a defence whatsoever. Even the reconstruction in which to so many showed clearly that at least Henry Long would have known that he was dragging a heavy person behind his car played heavily to a conviction of murder. The jury by all accounts had a very clear journey to follow, a story of indisputable facts and detail was right there in front of them for all to see. These are the reasons that leave the entire country shocked and mystified as to how this could have possibly been a trial of honest and equitable decision.

The horrific details of the way in which my husband was killed need no repetition, once heard leave a devastating imprint on the minds of anyone who hears them. So for those who have sat day after day seeing footage and photos more horrifying than any they had probably ever had the misfortune of seeing before, for those who have sat whilst coroners divulge the senseless and heartbreaking injuries that Andrew received that night back in August, how is it at all possible to come to any conclusion other than a guilty verdict of murder?

I am very aware that myself and our families are of course biased, we will always know the truth, and in honesty if this had been a fair trial I may have been more inclined to leave it be and try to accept the verdict that has been reached. However along with the whole world it seems to me, we can all see as plain as day that it clearly has not been a fair trial whatsoever.

So whomever it may be that I must speak to, whoever the correct person, establishment or government body that has the power to help me to claim justice for an innocent man robbed of his life, to ensure that these three immoral, barbaric and shameless men are made to pay for their crimes, not only for Andrew but also for our whole country. I will keep fighting on behalf of Andrew, the future that was stolen from us and also the victims who find themselves in this unjustly situation in the future.

After all, who are we if we allow our legal system to fail us? What is this country if it does not provide justice for the innocent? What does it say to the public and the Police officers, old and new if every day they go out and put themselves at risk to detain these criminals just to witness them be treated so exceptionally lightly in the eyes of the law? It says that we are weak, that we will roll over to the despicable thieves and vile miscreants of this world and literally let them get away with murder.

In total honesty I could write and write until my fingers hurt, I could pour my heart further into this letter, I could scream and shout and stand with fierce determination in the eyes of opposition over this crucial matter. After all what else can I do for my husband now? My heart bleeds for the life that was so selfishly taken from us, but yet in arduous restraint I will not go on any further.

So I implore you to hear my words, see the facts that are laid out before us, and I ask with no expectations other than hope that you might help me to make these changes be considered, to ensure that Andrew is given the retrial that he unquestionably deserves and to see that the justice system in our country is the solid ethical foundation that it rightly should be. Not the joke that so many of us now view it to be.

Please feel able to share my letter far and wide to whomever you see to be appropriate and impactful.

Kindest regards
Lissie Harper

utter scum
That is a very powerful letter by his widow, well done to her. One very brave lady who speaks for the MAJORITY of the population I would hope.
The only bit missing is get rid of the 'criminal scum rights act' and start again.
Is there any petition running I wonder to support her?
 
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Werzle

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Location
Midlands
Our laws are maddening, a few days ago a serial rapist was given 17 life sentences but will be eligible for parole in 9 yrs. A trip to the gallows would have cured him and saved the tax payer
 
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Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
That is a very powerful letter by his widow, well done to her. One very brave lady who speaks for the MAJORITY of the population I would hope.
The only bit missing is get rid of the 'criminal scum rights act' and start again.
Is there any petition running I wonder to support her?
The bring back the death penalty poll on here a while back showed that it would probably win national support if the country was ever asked. Law abiding majority are fed up with the unfairness
 

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