holywell farmer
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I'm a bit confused here has the peak started, at the government briefing Chris Whitty often states about flattening the curve does he mean making the peak less?
Peak of the virus ?
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ridger
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Peak not as high but lasts longer. Then there will be another peak later and another after that probably
holywell farmer
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Is it better to have an early peak?
For the sake of the NHS and the capacity to keep people alive on ventilators it is better to have a prolonged peak that isnt as high. For herd immunity a higher peak asap would be better so that the virus is around for less time (assuming we gain some degree of immunity once we've had it).
holywell farmer
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That government news briefing often sometimes sends out I feel mixed messages about the stage of the outbreak
GeorgeK
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Surely it's peaked in some areas like London but yet to peak in others, so how can they say we're 'past the peak'? If restrictions are lifted we will very soon see a peak in other areas I would have thought
GrannyAching
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Check out Wales On Line today for some interest graphs and comments. They should be talking about the plateau really and as @Spartacus has said expect a mountain range before we're done!
I dont watch any news, havent for years, keep an eye on things I want to know, so at the moment I look at the figures for covid-19 and that's about it (but not through the press, just Google it and look at a figures website), dont take much the press says as true without thinking about what they are claiming first.
Exfarmer
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The true peak will only be passed once the majority of the population has either been infected or vaccinated. How high the peak will go is according to the controls put in place. Certainly the peak has been squashed at the momentand will continue to fall if the lockdown continues. It is highly unlikely that the disease will die out with much stricter controls so some isolation will need enforcing for a considerable time, other wise if we return to a free for all the deathrate across the country will start to rise again.
The art will be to lift restrictions gradually so the disease will plateau at a rate the NHS can cope with yet allowing the disease to eventually die out.
The WHO has been suggesting that contracting CV19 does not necessarily give immunity... Which is a worry for the scientists who were relying on this to safeguard the wider population.
GrannyAching
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The WHO has been suggesting that contracting CV19 does not necessarily give immunity... Which is a worry for the scientists who were relying on this to safeguard the wider population.
They have been saying this from the outset. Unless there is an effective vaccine (unlikely?) or way, way better PPE provision I don't see that I'll be able to return to my job even after having it and assuming I survive. But hey ho! No point worrying about stuff I can't control.
Exfarmer
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This is a huge concern, as it would also indicate that vaccines, will not work either.The WHO has been suggesting that contracting CV19 does not necessarily give immunity... Which is a worry for the scientists who were relying on this to safeguard the wider population.
However, since much of the testing has been highly erratic, it may be more a question of the efficacy of the tests.
Fingers x'd that is the case....
True, but they are STILL saying it and re-emphasised it last week after severl month of experience of the outbreak. One would hope that some more data has been accumulated by now...?
Chae1
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My wife would say I peak too early!
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ollie989898
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There is no herd immunity. I would suggest that because this virus is totally alien to humans it might not be working according to the rules.
uk.reuters.com
GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday that there was currently “no evidence” that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second coronavirus infection.
In a scientific brief, the United Nations agency warned governments against issuing “immunity passports” or “risk-free certificates” to people who have been infected as their accuracy could not be guaranteed.
The practice could actually increase the risks of continued spread as people who have recovered may ignore advice about taking standard precautions against the virus, it said.
“Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an ‘immunity passport’ or ‘risk-free certificate’ that would enable individuals to travel or to return to work assuming that they are protected against re-infection,” the WHO said.
“There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” it said.
'No evidence' that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected - WHO
The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday that there was currently "no evidence" that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second coronavirus infection.
uk.reuters.com
GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Saturday that there was currently “no evidence” that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second coronavirus infection.
In a scientific brief, the United Nations agency warned governments against issuing “immunity passports” or “risk-free certificates” to people who have been infected as their accuracy could not be guaranteed.
The practice could actually increase the risks of continued spread as people who have recovered may ignore advice about taking standard precautions against the virus, it said.
“Some governments have suggested that the detection of antibodies to the SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could serve as the basis for an ‘immunity passport’ or ‘risk-free certificate’ that would enable individuals to travel or to return to work assuming that they are protected against re-infection,” the WHO said.
“There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection,” it said.
Steevo
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The current peak is an artificial peak, so has happened at a similar time in all areas.
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Depends how intelligent our immune killer cells are , i find it hard to believe they haven't got a strong memory system .
And if they dont why is their not hundreds of people now shouting they have a 2cd infection
And if they dont why is their not hundreds of people now shouting they have a 2cd infection
Steevo
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Vaccines, and immunity from having had it are not always the same thing.
Not all vaccines are made from the actual virus in question, and so are more effective than antibodies from having had a specific virus.
Exfarmer
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Iam unaware of any vaccine that claims to give better immunity than actually catching the real thing.
Though most certainly the chicken pox vaccine, is far superior to catching the real thing as the virus is not residual in the body.
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