Pelleted waste from sewage .

[PSQ]

Is it any wonder that cancers and other serious illnesses are increasing when we spread this onto food producing land

A bit of light hearted distopianism for a Friday:

The good news is that pretty soon the vegans, organic consumers and all the other Guardian readers with snowflake first world problems will have something new to get all self righteous about...

The bad news is, that without recycling human sh!t back into the fertility cycle, the world will run out of it's finite phosphate reserves sooner. It's about time our generation started to wake up to the real issue, the fragility of food supply.

When people are hungry enough, they wont remember that their ancestors prevented urgent research into Genetically Modified foods that could have staved off 1st world famine. The great grandchildren of todays sandal wearing hippies won't need to worry about 'Cancer' or World War 3, within 150 years those great grandkids will probably be hacking into the flesh of anything they can catch, on 4 legs, or 2.

Maybe best not to dwell on that thought, as you tuck yourself in for the night...

 

[livestock 1]

I was ill after spreading it as well. Felt rough for days afterwards

Aye it was sickness and a bad head and the rest. Not something I will forget. I think it was the dust off the stuff to blame. Arsenic and Mercury not great stuff. I asked the lad that spreads lime for us and he said don’t go near it because it will kill you !

 

[glasshouse]

I may be wrong, but my wife attended a meeting several years ago and there was great concern about micro plastics and metal particles, entering the food chain as a result of spreading, also the residues of women's contraceptive drugs could impact upon human health causing fertility issues.

I still remember scientists claiming that BSE infected beef was safe to eat, but they were proved wrong a few years later. So growing food in condom, tampon,drug and plastics infected human sh17 just goes against the grain for me.

This is just my personal opinion, I am not having a go at any farmers good luck to you.

condoms etc are not supposed to go down the toilet

 

[glasshouse]

I may be wrong, but my wife attended a meeting several years ago and there was great concern about micro plastics and metal particles, entering the food chain as a result of spreading, also the residues of women's contraceptive drugs could impact upon human health causing fertility issues.

I still remember scientists claiming that BSE infected beef was safe to eat, but they were proved wrong a few years later. So growing food in condom, tampon,drug and plastics infected human sh17 just goes against the grain for me.

This is just my personal opinion, I am not having a go at any farmers good luck to you.

What do you suggest we do with all the sewage? go back to polluting the sea?
Or everyone insert a rectal cork?

 

[Brisel]

I may be wrong, but my wife attended a meeting several years ago and there was great concern about micro plastics and metal particles, entering the food chain as a result of spreading, also the residues of women's contraceptive drugs could impact upon human health causing fertility issues.

I still remember scientists claiming that BSE infected beef was safe to eat, but they were proved wrong a few years later. So growing food in condom, tampon,drug and plastics infected human sh17 just goes against the grain for me.

This is just my personal opinion, I am not having a go at any farmers good luck to you.

I have concerns about micro plastics too, but my unscientific worm counts are always higher on treated fields than untreated. IMO the benefit exceeds the cost.

Yes, there are heavy metals in there too. Some of these are micronutrients as well as being toxic. The difference is the dose. Hazard and risk are different. My high pH soils will lock these metals away for ever - the water boards will not allow sewage cake to be applied to acidic soils where the risk of them becoming “available” to plants is higher. Every field is tested regularly by them to monitor the levels as part of the stewardship of the Sewage Sludge Matrix I linked earlier in this thread.

It is only recycling after all.

Edit: what about BSE? Where’s this epidemic of CJD they predicted from eating infected beef?

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Wessex Water used to call it Bestway Granules. A friend of mine in Hampshire was involved with it for a while.

It’s good stuff and easy to apply but I would say has no advantage over sewage cake other than the delayed and reduced offensive smell.

 

[Smith31]

What do you suggest we do with all the sewage? go back to polluting the sea?
Or everyone insert a rectal cork?

If you read through my posts I did say I was not against spreading it and wished the farmers good luck. However no one can deny that there is a risk present. You have farmers on here confirming how they felt ill after spreading.

Since you asked...

Years ago we used to spread abattoir blood and the green/ feed gut waste from slaughtered livestock bellies onto our land. This was ended by regulations all this waste is now sent to rendering plants and every ounce is recycled there is no reason why human waste can't be treated the same. The owners of the rendering companies are amongst the wealthiest families in the world, I am sure they can invest and find a use.

The water companies are using farmers as a cheap way of disposing of their waste a rendering company would charge £100 a ton to remove.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Where there’s muck there’s brass.


I’m of the opinion that the water companies should do more to make the stuff more “user friendly “. I don’t know how, but it is fecking horrible stuff for all concerned. I also think that a water company rep should be on hand to allay any concerns and deal with complaints from residents nearby affected by the smell after spreading. I know farmers can choose to spread it or not but as you rightly say it’s cheap disposal for the water company and they should do more to help in the whole process.

 

[sheepman1]

If you read through my post I did say I was not against spreading it and wished the farmers good luck. However no one can deny that there is a risk present.

Since you asked...

Years ago we used to spread abattoir blood and the green/ feed gut waste from slaughtered livestock bellies onto our land. This was ended by regulations all this waste is now sent to rendering plants and every ounce is recycled there is no reason why human waste can't be treated the same. The owners of the rendering companies are amongst the wealthiest families in the world, I am sure they can invest and find a use.

The water companies are using farmers as a cheap way of disposing of their waste a rendering company would charge £100 a ton to remove.

Over here, stomach contents going to AD plants then onto the land

 

[DRC]

Where there’s muck there’s brass.


I’m of the opinion that the water companies should do more to make the stuff more “user friendly “. I don’t know how, but it is fecking horrible stuff for all concerned. I also think that a water company rep should be on hand to allay any concerns and deal with complaints from residents nearby affected by the smell after spreading. I know farmers can choose to spread it or not but as you rightly say it’s cheap disposal for the water company and they should do more to help in the whole process.

I agree with this. United utilities used to deliver and spread for free, although they had a few cowboy contractors in the end. I came home once to find a lad had spread a field with only one rotor working on his spreader and it was in thick rows. Also a lorry driver managed to tip half a load on the road in the village. Of course I was public enemy number one. They now deliver free, but you have to spread your own. I stopped having it.
Severn trent charge £60/ha for it, and have plenty of takers .

 

[glasshouse]

If you read through my posts I did say I was not against spreading it and wished the farmers good luck. However no one can deny that there is a risk present. You have farmers on here confirming how they felt ill after spreading.

Since you asked...

Years ago we used to spread abattoir blood and the green/ feed gut waste from slaughtered livestock bellies onto our land. This was ended by regulations all this waste is now sent to rendering plants and every ounce is recycled there is no reason why human waste can't be treated the same. The owners of the rendering companies are amongst the wealthiest families in the world, I am sure they can invest and find a use.

The water companies are using farmers as a cheap way of disposing of their waste a rendering company would charge £100 a ton to remove.

Where would they remove it to?
Timbuctoo?

 

[Smith31]

Where would they remove it to?
Timbuctoo?

Google- Leo Group, Pears, Prosper De Mulder plant locations. Then Google abattoir waste removal charges this should answer your question.

Or just ask the knacker man what happens to your dead stock, it may be less confusing for you.

 

[glasshouse]

Google- Leo Group, Pears, Prosper De Mulder plant locations. Then Google abattoir waste removal charges this should answer your question.

Or just ask the knacker man what happens to your dead stock, it may be less confusing for you.

Abatoir waste is tiny compared to the quantity of raw sewage produced daily in the uk.
Sewage application is beneficial to the soil, indeed without it the soil is doomed.
Farmers pay the cost of rendering abatoir waste, who will pay for drying and rendering sewage?

 

[Smith31]

Abatoir waste is tiny compared to the quantity of raw sewage produced daily in the uk.
Sewage application is beneficial to the soil, indeed without it the soil is doomed.
Farmers pay the cost of rendering abatoir waste, who will pay for drying and rendering sewage?

You asked me what the alternatives are, I replied.

Do you have any idea how much money is made by the rendering companies they would fight for raw sewage they would process it and extract everything possible for resale, a lot would go into bio diesel production or other forms of energy I suspect.

Like I said I have no objection to farmers spreading it I just find it risky, its up to the government do deem it safe.

 

[glasshouse]

You asked me what the alternatives are, I replied.

Do you have any idea how much money is made by the rendering companies they would fight for raw sewage they would process it and extract everything possible for resale, a lot would go into bio diesel production or other forms of energy I suspect.

Like I said I have no objection to farmers spreading it I just find it risky, its up to the government do deem it safe.

Everything in life is risky

 

[Lazy Eric]

It’s got to go somewhere. I think incorporation into cereal land is the ideal use.