They shouldn't get PD for new buildings as for Agricultural buildings to be converted they must be surplus to the agricultural operations. If they are surplus then applying for new ones a short period later would throw up red flags.
Permitted Development Conversion
- Thread starter George from SJM Planning
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Nearly
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- North of York
Any new buildings need full planning as you lose pd rights for 10 years.
carpenter1
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- devon
Do you think the planners will allow them all to convert then build new buildings, they have only got 3 acres each
Thick Farmer
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- West Wales
Do these rules apply in Wales?
In a simple answer - No.
It would be totally against the purpose of Permitted Development.
Even if the conversions are being undertaken under Full Planning an agricultural holding under 5ha could not get PD for a new building anyway.
Yes. The GPDO has slight variations in Scotland and Wales but are on the whole the same.
Thick Farmer
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- West Wales
Are you sure? I haven't heard of any sheds turned into houses locally.
I will check the GPDO for Wales now.
After looking through the Wales amendments to the GPDO I can not see the addition of Class Q or Class MB so it may not be permitted; I have not had the oppotunity to apply in Wales but it would be something I would need to look into further.
Warp Land Farmer
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- Hazzard County
What do you charge for a PD application? PM me if you wish.
Sent you a PM
landslave the 2nd
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- near the zoo (m42 j11) east mids
I think I read it that
Part or whole of ag shed for conversion to dwelling,
so if it's 30 ft X 105 ft could you do one end 30 x45 as a house..........then 15 ft (1 bay ) gap then keep the remaining as ag shed ? ....... @GeorgieB82
Doing it for the kids
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Hate to put a damper on this but they have tightened things a lot recently. The hay day for this was 2 yrs ago.
You will struggle to get a second. Storey in now around here.
Still worth looking at though, done several here, beats farming!
If you can't convert the building without drastic structural changes then they won't let you do it - daft I know.
You will struggle to get a second. Storey in now around here.
Still worth looking at though, done several here, beats farming!
If you can't convert the building without drastic structural changes then they won't let you do it - daft I know.
Forever Fendt
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- Derbyshire
do the structural changes before hand they can not stop you as long as the size or external appearance does not alter
Doing it for the kids
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Well yes but some of the ones I'm trying to Get through are little more than a rotten timber shell.
Planners have no idea the old concret floor is an inch thick and few months old
Neighbours have twitchy eyes, it's same old, how far do u go making it look old and viable to then risk not getting it...
I love a challenge though
Planners have no idea the old concret floor is an inch thick and few months old
Neighbours have twitchy eyes, it's same old, how far do u go making it look old and viable to then risk not getting it...
I love a challenge though
I would like to caveat that post as I agree that the 'free for all' has passed but there is still plenty of opportunity out there.
The second storey situation is because the floor area of an Agricultural to Residential conversion still has to be below the 465m2 floor area so if you have a second floor the 465m2 would have to be divided in two.
As for the structural side of things there has been a recent court ruling that for a conversion to be a conversion then the original building must be structurally suitable to take the residential conversation. As soon as structural work needs to take place the full planning is required.
Forever Fendt
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- Derbyshire
will only work if you have a good shell of a building ,floors walls footings and structural strengthening all can be done without any permission as long as the last use was agricultural ,there is no change of use until its bought into use and thats what the determination is for
Forever Fendt
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- Derbyshire
Are you sure about the floor area ?
Doing it for the kids
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Yeah he right, someone got pulled here on a 2 storey conversion for another technicality.
Yeah I know you can do the works before but it's a bit trucking to hide it all, these are 60 ur old chicken sheds with little more fitting than a paving slab!!
Yeah I know you can do the works before but it's a bit trucking to hide it all, these are 60 ur old chicken sheds with little more fitting than a paving slab!!
Which part? I'm sitting in a boring meeting at the moment so i don't have the figures to hand so if the 465 is incorrect I apologise.