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Multi tasking - I like that!
Didn't know Taffys could do that
Didn't know Taffys could do that
I'm no Taff. Kentish born and bred. I'm at work in Kent too, I just live in Wales.Multi tasking - I like that!
Didn't know Taffys could do that
Its the building as it stands or the cumulative of any buildings for conversion as i understand its not the floor area you are creatingWhich part? I'm sitting in a boring meeting at the moment so i don't have the figures to hand so if the 465 is incorrect I apologise.
When I'm back in the office I will refer back to the GPDOIts the building as it stands or the cumulative of any buildings for conversion as i understand its not the floor are you are creating
not being argumentative ,but thats how i understand it but i could be wrong ,with these things LPA's interpret the rules how they like to suite there hidden agenda, i would be grateful if you put up a link to the decision you referred to earlier ,having said all this if you have a serviceable building it is worth having a go but these days it will require a robust application by a competent planing consultantWhen I'm back in the office I will refer back to the GPDO
I understand you aren't trying to be arguementative, and this is a forum for free speech so I'm happy to discuss this with you.not being argumentative ,but thats how i understand it but i could be wrong ,with these things LPA's interpret the rules how they like to suite there hidden agenda, i would be grateful if you put up a link to the decision you referred to earlier ,having said all this if you have a serviceable building it is worth having a go but these days it will require a robust application by a competent planing consultant
part Q 1b is a bit contradictory to this , is this poorly drafted legislation or is it all like thisI understand you aren't trying to be arguementative, and this is a forum for free speech so I'm happy to discuss this with you.
From the GPDO:
Part 3 Class Q.1(h) states "Development is not permitted if development under Class Q (together with any previous development under Class Q) would result in a building or buildings having more than 450 square metres of floor space having a use falling within Class C3 (dwellinghouses) of the Schedule to the Use Classes Order".
As I read that, if the floor area of the proposed dwelling exceeds 450m2 then it is not permitted under PD.
The GPDO is the document all PD applications must adhere to and the document Local Authorities must use in their decision making.
Whether the local authority enforce the GPDO to the full or interprete it as we would is another matter!!!
Admittedly LPA's will have an opinion but if you can prove you 100% comply with the relevant GPDO then they can't refuse. If they do, then you have the right to appeal and if you win claim costs.Thing is @GeorgieB82 in our area the LPA don't want to give anything , they hate barn conversions and PD barns even more.
took a second application here but went through thenAdmittedly LPA's will have an opinion but if you can prove you 100% comply with the relevant GPDO then they can't refuse. If they do, then you have the right to appeal and if you win claim costs.
Thats when you have to tell them and not ask politelyThing is @GeorgieB82 in our area the LPA don't want to give anything , they hate barn conversions and PD barns even more.
That is where as a Planning Consultant we feel we add most value to a clients application. We are aware of the hoops that are needed to be jumped through and in our case my boss sat on the other side of the fence for 7 years!Thats when you have to tell them and not ask politely
It's like telling them the answers they already know!That is where as a Planning Consultant we feel we add most value to a clients application. We are aware of the hoops that are needed to be jumped through and in our case my boss sat on the other side of the fence for 7 years!
Planning isn't so much about explaining what you want but rather telling the council why it can't be refused. That is why PD applications are preferable as there is no leeway in the decision process for the Officer's opinions, either it's is PD or its not. When you get to full planning you have to consider the human thought process as well.
Has anyone tested the sanctions that may follow the failure to complete within 3 years yet?Agricultural to Residential under PD (Part 3, Class Q) must be COMPLETED within 3 years of permission being granted.
We are certainly encouraging people with the opportunity of exercising their PD rights to do it as soon as possible, there may be a time when PD rights will be revoked.
It's more like telling the answers they SHOULD know! The GPDO is 164 pages long and has 19 parts which all have multiple sections and classes. Part 3 (Change of Use, which is the topic of this thread) alone has 20+ classes! And the GPDO only covers Permitted Development!It's like telling them the answers they already know!
Not anyone I have come across, I'll ask the boss later and he might have some anecdotal story.Has anyone tested the sanctions that may follow the failure to complete within 3 years yet?
No because it was 'start within 3 years' when it first came in, then changed to 'complete within 3 years' about 18 months ago.Has anyone tested the sanctions that may follow the failure to complete within 3 years yet?
I think a lot of people still believe PD is start within 3 years as this is unchanged for full planning!No because it was 'start within 3 years' when it first came in, then changed to 'complete within 3 years' about 18 months ago.
Tick tock.