Personal plastic to fuel conversion system

[Green Prometheus]

HMRC will never allow a large number of producers of fuels that usually have a duty payable on them....for certain. They need to be able to police the system as cheaply as possible....no thoughts to sustainability...it's all about the money.Hard lines !

There might be loopholes. But it will definitely be as hard as I expected it to be. Maybe the plastic waste problem will become big enough for them to lay off.

 

[Walton2]

They have teams of staff sorting out loopholes! There's about £20k revenue for the taxman in every artic of fuel that you see.....they will never allow a system of small producers.

 

[Green Prometheus]

They have teams of staff sorting out loopholes! There's about £20k revenue for the taxman in every artic of fuel that you see.....they will never allow a system of small producers.

Well that sounds grim. Still, I will look into this until I'm 100% sure this can't be done. I'll post news after that

 

[Walton2]

Don't get me wrong.....I like your plan...it's the best way to solve a problem... it's just that the powers that be can't afford to let it happen.

 

[Green Prometheus]

"Biofuel and other fuel substitutes are liable for Fuel Duty when they’re:

• used as a fuel for any engine, motor or other machinery
• used as an additive or extender in fuel
• blended with hydrocarbon oil

Biofuels and other fuel substitutes aren’t liable for Fuel Duty when they’re intended for other specific uses, such as heating fuel or any other non-motor fuel use.
Fuel Duty will be due if any of the following happen:

• the fuel is sent out from registered premises
• the fuel is used as motor fuel
• the decision is made that the fuel will be used as a motor fuel (known as being ‘set aside’ as a motor fuel)"
  
  - Gov.uk

What if fuel is used for a steam turbine? Hot steam is the one actually producing electricity, so biofuel is involved indirectly.

 

[bactosoil]

I am really surprised this isn't mainstream here in UK. Makes me paranoid thinking that there is a catch, but the more I learn the more it looks viable.

Yes, we will need to do field testing. We haven't thought out how we will be doing that. Possibly taking some samples, testing them in the lab and then eventually doing a field test at one or two farms for an extended period of time

There are several systems on the brink of launch in the UK for ag uses , these systems are great and the systems I know of are either
focusing on waste disposal , waste to heat or heat to turbine not straight fuels .
Plasma systems are very adaptable and could provide farmers with micro generation units capable of using a wide range of feedstocks and turning a profit to

 

[Wastexprt]

Tyre recycling - we're on it. Bio-oil, carbon black, CHP.
http://www.biomassthermaltechnologies.com/about

Interesting, I have permitted a pyrolysis plant if you need any assistance.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Hello. I am currently in the process of starting a new kind of plastic recycling company. We would be selling portable and easy to use plastic to fuel (diesel, gasoline and kerosene) conversion system based on pyrolysis. We are currently trying to decide which market niche to start with and farm plastics looks very promising. We have done extensive research online and now would like to start getting some feedback from farmers directly.

The goal is an inexpensive, green, safe and profitable plastic recycling system for private businesses and individuals.

Please ask me any questions you want and I will do my best to answer them.

Cheers!

Patrick

Have you got a prototype system running? If not what is your estimated timescale to build such?

Secondly how portable is portable and what approximate volumes of feedstock and fuel are you envisaging per unit? Is there any ballpark view as to the capital and running cost of your proposed solution based against said volumes?

 

[renewablejohn]

Good luck with getting plastic to oil authorised for use in the UK but with current fuel duties on diesel I cannot see the government losing such revenue to a system which any farmer could cobble together for less than £1000. I have a similar problem with a diesel substitute using charcoal slurry which to date has been 5 years going through approvals with no end in sight.

 

[renewablejohn]

If anyone is interested in the process it is very simple and well documented. Small scale its very simple the difficulty arises when you upgrade to commercial scale.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renew...iesel-fuel-cheaply.html?highlight=plastic+oil

 

[Wastexprt]

Good luck with getting plastic to oil authorised for use in the UK but with current fuel duties on diesel I cannot see the government losing such revenue to a system which any farmer could cobble together for less than £1000. I have a similar problem with a diesel substitute using charcoal slurry which to date has been 5 years going through approvals with no end in site.

I wonder if it will have a place in the upcoming Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (if it still will apply once we have left the EU that is)

There is a route through this, but it needs to be scaled up and generate power on site. Similar to a project I'm working on at the moment in fact

 

[Green Prometheus]

Have you got a prototype system running? If not what is your estimated timescale to build such?

Secondly how portable is portable and what approximate volumes of feedstock and fuel are you envisaging per unit? Is there any ballpark view as to the capital and running cost of your proposed solution based against said volumes?

Have you got a prototype system running? If not what is your estimated timescale to build such?

Secondly how portable is portable and what approximate volumes of feedstock and fuel are you envisaging per unit? Is there any ballpark view as to the capital and running cost of your proposed solution based against said volumes?

Yes, we got a simplified prototype running. To build the real thing will probably take a year. Really unsure, might get bogged down with legislations.

The portable bit is still to be decided. We want it to be transportable by established logistics company and not take up a hole shed. We are thinking of a maybe 30 liter chamber...but it will depend on the average amount of waste needed to be disposed in farms. Running costs should be small and mostly go towards the electricity. Best answer I can give you is that to produce fuel you would need 1 unit of energy. To use the produced fuel will provide you with up to 40 units.

 

[Green Prometheus]

Good luck with getting plastic to oil authorised for use in the UK but with current fuel duties on diesel I cannot see the government losing such revenue to a system which any farmer could cobble together for less than £1000. I have a similar problem with a diesel substitute using charcoal slurry which to date has been 5 years going through approvals with no end in sight.

Yea, I might just need luck on this... if the fuel is used for a boiler at a farm, then quite a few problems would disappear.
5 years?!

 

[Green Prometheus]

If anyone is interested in the process it is very simple and well documented. Small scale its very simple the difficulty arises when you upgrade to commercial scale.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renew...iesel-fuel-cheaply.html?highlight=plastic+oil

Good link. Careful though, one guy was making a bomb on accident (pressurized steel chamber that could have exploded)

 

[Green Prometheus]

I wonder if it will have a place in the upcoming Renewable Transport Fuels Obligation (if it still will apply once we have left the EU that is)

There is a route through this, but it needs to be scaled up and generate power on site. Similar to a project I'm working on at the moment in fact

I will have to google that.

The scale up part is the one I don't like. I think decentralized could work better. So are we in direct competition?

 

[berisford]

Is it the same process as this

 

[Wastexprt]

I will have to google that.

The scale up part is the one I don't like. I think decentralized could work better. So are we in direct competition?

Nope, I'm just a consultant.

 

[berisford]

Sorry fudging youtube

 

[Green Prometheus]

Nope, I'm just a consultant.

You are consulting Recycling Technologies then?

 

[Wastexprt]

You are consulting Recycling Technologies then?

Anything that needs a permit, but mostly waste.