Personal plastic to fuel conversion system

Wastexprt

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Do these permits costs a lot of money and time? And is it such a maze that without a consultant it is impossible to achieve on its own?
Depends what type of permit you need and who the Regulator is, size of operation, location etc etc, but can range from around £1800 to £40 000.

Not impossible at all, applying for a permit isn't rocket science, all the information and guidance you need is here https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/environment-agency
 

Wastexprt

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Thanks. Sounds promising. So what does a consultant such as yourself do then, if you don't mind me asking?
I act on behalf of clients to obtain permits and enter in to discussions with the Regulator. I also draw up all the documents required for a successful application.I know when the Regulator is incorrect and challenge them if and where required. I also 'translate' regulator speak in to a form that everybody else can understand. As I said, not rocket science, but as I've been in the waste industry for almost 22 years I know where everything is and how it applies to an operator.
 
I act on behalf of clients to obtain permits and enter in to discussions with the Regulator. I also draw up all the documents required for a successful application.I know when the Regulator is incorrect and challenge them if and where required. I also 'translate' regulator speak in to a form that everybody else can understand. As I said, not rocket science, but as I've been in the waste industry for almost 22 years I know where everything is and how it applies to an operator.

Yeah, sounds pretty useful. Say I wanted to hire your service at some point in the future, would that be possible and how?
 

MickMoor

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Bonsall, UK
Yeah, legislation is one of those things I haven't started wrestling with yet. I imagine I will need to prove them that this device is environmentally safe and within emission levels. It certainly is, but I am not entirely sure of the proving process yet.

In USA, this type of processing is being used on a large scale in a number of places. What I want to do is to decentralize it and make it cheap enough for everyone to use. This will not waste fuel, people and time to be taken from far away places to the central plant.

For me it makes environmental sense. Plastic comes from oil, and to oil it is returned. When recycling plastic, it s imperative that different types are separated. A process carried out by hand where labour is cheap, so plastic for reycling gets sent to China and India. I believe more manufacturing will be repatriated now we are leaving the EU, so there will be fewer empty containers returning to China to be filled with the cheap consumer items currently produced there.
In short, a positive step forward for the environment,and I wish you luck.
 
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Walton2

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Don't waste any time producing anything that could be used,by anybody,as a replacement for road fuel.....no matter how enthusiastic you are.....no matter how good it is with green credentials....even if you get the right signals.....even from personally going to the Treasury.....
Our government will never allow it.
 

woodworm

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Thetford Norfolk
Don't waste any time producing anything that could be used,by anybody,as a replacement for road fuel.....no matter how enthusiastic you are.....no matter how good it is with green credentials....even if you get the right signals.....even from personally going to the Treasury.....
Our government will never allow it.

Are the government going to charge for hydrogen then, and what about electric cars? If we all went and bought an electric car tomorrow the government would be screwed, especially if we charged the from a solar panel on our roof which we purchased without any government grants or incentives.
 

Walton2

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The inevitable switch to electric will be controlled so that the loss of duty will be recovered by other means....possibly a return of RoadFund or something similar.Hydrogen cars...possible tax on yearly inspection...but there will be some policing of mileage/fuel use.There will be ways around whatever mechanism they use for collecting the Duty....but I bet the penalties for abusing the system will cover the losses!
 

Elpresidente

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West Wales
Good luck with getting plastic to oil authorised for use in the UK but with current fuel duties on diesel I cannot see the government losing such revenue to a system which any farmer could cobble together for less than £1000. I have a similar problem with a diesel substitute using charcoal slurry which to date has been 5 years going through approvals with no end in sight.
Strewth we don't half live in a society of do gooding nimby's who's only objective in life is to dot the i's and cross the t's of legislation rules and regulations. If someone's come up with a cheap way of turning waste plastic into fuel they should be applauded and encouraged every step of the way.
 
A quick search of you tube shows the basic jobbie.
Something for grandad to bodge on the family farm to run the old Zetor and the series one Landy.
Win win for the small family farm again.

There's quite a bit of info on homemade plastic to oil conversion systems out there. As long as they don't get found out, which is probably tricky for the government to do, all is good! What if you use red diesel on roads? How would anyone know? Do some agencies randomly stop cars and test their fuels?
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
There's quite a bit of info on homemade plastic to oil conversion systems out there. As long as they don't get found out, which is probably tricky for the government to do, all is good! What if you use red diesel on roads? How would anyone know? Do some agencies randomly stop cars and test their fuels?
Yes.

Customs and excise.
Highways Agency

You don't see it done often but they sometimes turn up at farm shows or farm sales and test all diesel vehicles.
 

Wastexprt

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Don't waste any time producing anything that could be used,by anybody,as a replacement for road fuel.....no matter how enthusiastic you are.....no matter how good it is with green credentials....even if you get the right signals.....even from personally going to the Treasury.....
Our government will never allow it.
The Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO) supports the government’s policy on reducing greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles by encouraging the production of biofuels that don’t damage the environment. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/renewable-transport-fuels-obligation
 

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