Personal plastic to fuel conversion system

[Wastexprt]

But fuel recycled from plastic isn't biofuel, right? Or I can't find it...

It was more of a response to the previous post as opposed to including plastics.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Have had the filler cap flap forced on the disco at market by the buggers before now!

Can they legally do that?

You can't refuse to let them sample but I didn't think they could force entry without you present!

 

[Green Prometheus]

There is a new Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation in progress that may actually help out plastc to oil recycling systems.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/renewable-transport-fuels-obligation

"Advanced renewable fuels that also comply with both the proposed new definition of waste and the waste hierarchy. Eligible renewable fuels are proposed to be hydrogen, methane, aviation fuels, biobutanol and fuels that are compatible with standard petrol and diesel fuels beyond current blend limits."

This will probably take more than 1 year to implement.

 

[cudota]

Had a roadside test ounce as i was about take fuel cap off i said are we having bets on which colour it is who's going for red ,white or green ..By the look on there faces it seemed pointless all of a sudden

 

[woodworm]

How much is your cheapest product?

They start at round £400k, but are considerably larger than the system you are talking about and can convert plastics, tyres, sewage sludge, biomass and rdf all into oil and char, or energy via gasification. Very versatile tech which can be static or mobile or expanded by installing multiple systems side by side. There are now over 20 plants worldwide operating as pyrolysis plants or gasifiers for energy, with one producing torrefied fuels with a feed rate of 4500kg/hr.

 

[Green Prometheus]

They start at round £400k, but are considerably larger than the system you are talking about and can convert plastics, tyres, sewage sludge, biomass and rdf all into oil and char, or energy via gasification. Very versatile tech which can be static or mobile or expanded by installing multiple systems side by side. There are now over 20 plants worldwide operating as pyrolysis plants or gasifiers for energy, with one producing torrefied fuels with a feed rate of 4500kg/hr.

For this thing to work we will either need to buy a cheap one (under 1k) or actually make one and get it accredited... Might be a conflict of interest there

 

[Wastexprt]

For this thing to work we will either need to buy a cheap one (under 1k) or actually make one and get it accredited... Might be a conflict of interest there

It's the monitoring equipment (CEMS) that needs accrediting to MCerts, not the plant itself

 

[Green Prometheus]

It's the monitoring equipment (CEMS) that needs accrediting to MCerts, not the plant itself

Yeah, I know. But there might be a problem if I am making the equipment and the system to measure how toxic the emissions are

 

[Wastexprt]

Yeah, I know. But there might be a problem if I am making the equipment and the system to measure how toxic the emissions are

This decision document https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r..._Hrm3ukewB_qNTNfKJHwOQ&bvm=bv.144224172,d.bGg givess as good an overview of the permitting side as anything.

 

[Green Prometheus]

This decision document https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwirgfWg4cHRAhWFJsAKHTsoBq0QFgg-MAY&url=http://www.poole.gov.uk/EasysiteWeb/getresource.axd?AssetID=33666&type=full&servicetype=Attachment&usg=AFQjCNFj6RDu3cYBtnKZcMNLIuqLTGNpTg&sig2=_Hrm3ukewB_qNTNfKJHwOQ&bvm=bv.144224172,d.bGg givess as good an overview of the permitting side as anything.

Thank you, that one was pretty interesting

 

[Wastexprt]

Thank you, that one was pretty interesting

No worries, it just shows the scope of how pyrolysis fits within the Regulations and what needs doing to comply with them.

 

[michael N123]

Who exactly is going to pay you to remove and dispose of plastic? The way I see it, you are entering a crowded marketplace, which is already catered for by:

Conventional plastic recyclers
Waste Incinerators
Landfill operators

Farmers already use mostly conventional recyclers who collect the waste and recycle it into other plastic products (unfortunately low grade ones). The effort required on the part of the farmer is minimal.

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And swanvestas on a foggy morning

 

[Green Prometheus]

And swanvestas on a foggy morning

Is this that common though? These people would probably benefit most.

 

[Green Prometheus]

Update. After quite a few phone calls and emails I think I am now fairly certain this type of equipment can be used on farms for no extra cost to the farmer (registration is needed, but is free).

I am looking for ways to speak to some farmers. All 10 farms that I called so far has told me that they are too small and produce now waste plastic... Does anyone know a way I could get in touch with some larger farms that do need their plastic removed to ask them some questions? I mean, that probably applies to some of you.

Stuff I am looking to find out: How much plastic waste you are removing? How expensive is it. How much time does it require to get plastic removal sorted/baled ect. Any other problems that I have no clue of?

 

[woodworm]

Update. After quite a few phone calls and emails I think I am now fairly certain this type of equipment can be used on farms for no extra cost to the farmer (registration is needed, but is free).

I am looking for ways to speak to some farmers. All 10 farms that I called so far has told me that they are too small and produce now waste plastic... Does anyone know a way I could get in touch with some larger farms that do need their plastic removed to ask them some questions? I mean, that probably applies to some of you.

Stuff I am looking to find out: How much plastic waste you are removing? How expensive is it. How much time does it require to get plastic removal sorted/baled ect. Any other problems that I have no clue of?

You need to talk to some of the big carrot growers like Bartlett or Tompsett who both dispose of huge volumes of both black and white carrot cover plastic.

 

[Green Prometheus]

You need to talk to some of the big carrot growers like Bartlett or Tompsett who both dispose of huge volumes of both black and white carrot cover plastic.

Thank you. I'll give them a call. I also heard dairy farms have waste plastic, but I am not sure why would they...

 

[Deereone]

What a great dream!

 

[Green Prometheus]

What a great dream!

Meaning, you don't think I will make and sell one?

 

[Deereone]

Meaning, you don't think I will make and sell one?

If farm plastic (which is usually filthy) was suitable to be turned into liquid gold economically; why don't I have a queue of would be millionaires at my door, wanting to take my plastic FoC?

Like I said "It's a great dream!"

 

[Green Prometheus]

If farm plastic (which is usually filthy) was suitable to be turned into liquid gold economically; why don't I have a queue of would be millionaires at my door, wanting to take my plastic FoC?

Like I said "It's a great dream!"

How is it contaminated? Dirt? Pesticides? I may just be turn up. If you want I can give you a call and explain it better