Personal plastic to fuel conversion system

[Wastexprt]

Thank you for your advice. It sure seems like the legislation part of this project will be the hardest. Might be a better idea to sell this not to one farmer but to several all based next to each other to spread the cost.

We will get professional help in the upcoming weeks to see where we will stand in this legislation jungle.

I did see mildly hazardous (MH) right next to 19 01 07*, but in any case the by product will be non-hazardous or there won't be a system at all as it will just be too inconvenient to dispose of it.

The legislation bit's easy when you know what's what. There's plenty of consultants out there.

MH = Mirror hazardous, i..e it needs determining by analysis as to it's hazardous properties otherwise it is deemed hazardous. You will have to analyse the product before you can say it is non hazardous. Any site that you take the waste to will ask for an analysis, or should do.

Until the pyrolysis sector gains traction, finding a legal home for the products of pyrolysis is extremely difficult.

 

[Green Prometheus]

The legislation bit's easy when you know what's what. There's plenty of consultants out there.

MH = Mirror hazardous, i..e it needs determining by analysis as to it's hazardous properties otherwise it is deemed hazardous. You will have to analyse the product before you can say it is non hazardous. Any site that you take the waste to will ask for an analysis, or should do.

Until the pyrolysis sector gains traction, finding a legal home for the products of pyrolysis is extremely difficult.

Well, extremely difficult is not impossible. Maybe that's the reason no one is doing this at the moment

 

[Wastexprt]

Well, extremely difficult is not impossible. Maybe that's the reason no one is doing this at the moment

It's one of the sticking points at the moment, which is why the sector needs to expand.

 

[Green Prometheus]

It's one of the sticking points at the moment, which is why the sector needs to expand.

New elections might shake it up

 

[Fowler VF]

Only just picked up on this thread. I have been working with an Asian company for a while on a plastic to diesel project. As has been said, this isn't a magic process, its been around for years. The Asian guys have made it into a small plant, fits in a couple of shipping containers and have made it into a process that actually works on a reasonably small scale. They do have plants up and running, circa 5 tonne a day of plastic intake. Works very well on HDPE and LDPE, but clean LDPE and HDPE value is a little too high to make it economic. Does also work on quite dirty LDPE, but more residual waste to deal with. Will run on polyprop, so carrot fleece could be interesting. But problematic to handle and more residual waste. But as has been said, permitting is the real issue. That's perhaps why it is working in Asia, but getting it permitted here would be harder work. My role is pretty peripheral at present, but they are considering putting in a UK pilot plant with their own money. That's would be when it gets more exciting. Then again, Brexit rears its head and they are also looking at alternative European bases that allow them access to a bigger market.

I have higher hopes for larger scale pyrolysis producing crude pyrolysis oil from waste wood and other feedstocks. I have involvement in a European pilot plant utilising waste wood fines, end product oil is lower value and then going into crude oil refinery for blending. low oil price is affecting the economics of this, but with free or gate fee material feedstock and a bit of premium for a "bio-crude" it still has potential. Again, Brexit has stopped their plans for any UK plants for the foreseeable.

 

[Wastexprt]

Only just picked up on this thread. I have been working with an Asian company for a while on a plastic to diesel project. As has been said, this isn't a magic process, its been around for years. The Asian guys have made it into a small plant, fits in a couple of shipping containers and have made it into a process that actually works on a reasonably small scale. They do have plants up and running, circa 5 tonne a day of plastic intake. Works very well on HDPE and LDPE, but clean LDPE and HDPE value is a little too high to make it economic. Does also work on quite dirty LDPE, but more residual waste to deal with. Will run on polyprop, so carrot fleece could be interesting. But problematic to handle and more residual waste. But as has been said, permitting is the real issue. That's perhaps why it is working in Asia, but getting it permitted here would be harder work. My role is pretty peripheral at present, but they are considering putting in a UK pilot plant with their own money. That's would be when it gets more exciting. Then again, Brexit rears its head and they are also looking at alternative European bases that allow them access to a bigger market.

I have higher hopes for larger scale pyrolysis producing crude pyrolysis oil from waste wood and other feedstocks. I have involvement in a European pilot plant utilising waste wood fines, end product oil is lower value and then going into crude oil refinery for blending. low oil price is affecting the economics of this, but with free or gate fee material feedstock and a bit of premium for a "bio-crude" it still has potential. Again, Brexit has stopped their plans for any UK plants for the foreseeable.

Which is a pity because I think it has a role to play. As you say the current low price of crude is putting people off investing at present. I do have a client who is looking for suitable sites.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

It's been almost 18 months @Green Prometheus any news?

 

[Wastexprt]

It's been almost 18 months @Green Prometheus any news?

None at all. Not even a response requesting payment of my invoice.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Oh dear

 

[joe soapy]

https://www.energeticforum.com/rene...n-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

 

[Wastexprt]

https://www.energeticforum.com/rene...n-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

Yep, recently submitted a permit application to do this on an industrial scale

 

[joe soapy]

For farm use, just dreaming ,, need to do the process in stages, 1st bring vessel up to enough to boil the water out of the load, then higher and anerobic burn the organic out of the mix,
last stage boil the fuel off.... maybe utilise a sterling cycle generator to use the gas efficiently