Pesticide Packaging - The good, the bad and the ugly?

[aowen]

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I used this this year, if you zoom in to the top of the can you can see little dimples in the top so they stack well, I think we had them 6 high with no problems.

Thank you @Al R for the pic's. Aside from being stackable and anti-glug, I notice the recessed well under the handle - how is that for cleaning?

 

[Al R]

That's the ones. Been around 15+years now I think. Generic glyphosate is a fraction of the cost though so just make do with that. When you buy a pallet or two at a time they come shrink wrapped with no cardboard at all. In fact, I don't know of any glyphosate cans that are in cardboard boxes.

Glyphosate no but almost every other chemical comes in boxes
Most 15litre cans don't come in boxes but most 10L and 5L do, fine if you have 1-2 of something but a nuisance when pallets at a time are in boxes

@aowen these cans clean easily but most sedimenty type products only go sticky in the bottom, so as long as the induction hopper nozzle hits them it comes off. Syngenta had a new can system called S-PAC out in 2007/2008 and that put like a film inside the can so even the toughest products just slid out and 1 rinse would've been sufficient to be clean.

 

[franklin]

Rooundup Energy have great cans. But I wont sell a kidney to buy it.

 

[aowen]

There are threads in the arable section on this.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/sprays-and-their-cans-2013-season-awards.4163/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/sprays-and-their-cans-2014-season-awards.20249/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/sprays-and-their-cans-2015-season.32335/
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/sprays-and-their-cans-2016-17-season.138234/

Ideally, a pack should be transparent so we can see if it is clean. The "ribbed and dimpled for her pleasure" versions are not loved, nor are the stupid yellow BASF handles. Necks should be easy to get a rinse nozzle in, ie not like some of the 1lt insecticide cans. Lids should be able to be removed without the assistance of The Hulk. Foils, if still there, should be easy to open with the standard "Mandops" blue can spanner. Finally, cans should be of a suitable size to not need thousands to fill a sprayer ie generic epoxi should now come in 10lt cans.

@static - what don't you like about the yellow BASF handles? I have an idea from other feedback but would be keen to confirm, thank you in advance.

 

[franklin]

Ok, so to get some of the stickier stuff from the BASF cans - Picona / Galivor / PicoPro - it is best to rinse them using the dilute chem mix in your tank through the induction hopper. I take it you know what I mean when I say I am using the "little swirly nozzle" that fits in an induction bowl? So you lift the can up and pour it out, and have a collection of them on the side. Then when your tank is half-full of chem and water, you use this mix to rinse your cans, then set them aside, and when you add the remaining clean water in you do a 2nd rinse with just the clean. Now the yellow BASF handles are fine to lift the cans up, but when you pop them over the nozzle the handle dangles down and gets either in the bowl or diute chem on it, and I dont like that. Also, I just dont see the point when moulded handles are fine for 10lt drums.

The BASF "ribbed for her pleasure" cans are a total hate - it's as if they have spent some time designing them to be the absolute worst for all farmers:

1) Stupid flappy handles that dont make handling easier,
2) Silly ridges that make it trickier to clean out,
3) Translucent but not clear so you can see.

It's as iff they have asked us what we want and then said "sod you we will do the opposite so they look pretty and distinct".

The best cans are the 5lt Bayer cans which have foil-less lids that you dont need to be He-Man to open; clear plastic with no dimples for easy cleaning; moulded handle. Just go and get a 5lt tub of Proline and thats about as good as it needs to be. But upscale for 10lt and put everything in 10lt tubs.

Another hated can is the DuPont lt one with the nastly looking "square chunk" handle.

 

[quavers]

whats the new idea of not printing all the information on the label all about , having to get your phone and using your phone app reader is a back ward step , some folk do not have a good phone signal let alone a modern tec phone .

 

[franklin]

whats the new idea of not printing all the information on the label all about , having to get your phone and using your phone app reader is a back ward step , some folk do not have a good phone signal let alone a modern tec phone .

Thats a bit crap - I was always taught to take a label off the can and put it in my pocket, then if anyone found me lying on the floor they would know what chems I had been using.

 

[Steevo]

The best cans are the 5lt Bayer cans which have foil-less lids that you dont need to be He-Man to open; clear plastic with no dimples for easy cleaning; moulded handle. Just go and get a 5lt tub of Proline and thats about as good as it needs to be. But upscale for 10lt and put everything in 10lt tubs.

Another hated can is the DuPont lt one with the nastly looking "square chunk" handle.

I don't hate the BASF cans quite as much and find them ok to deal with, but your comments on Bayer and DuPont cans are spot on.

 

[Shutesy]

Ok, so to get some of the stickier stuff from the BASF cans - Picona / Galivor / PicoPro - it is best to rinse them using the dilute chem mix in your tank through the induction hopper. I take it you know what I mean when I say I am using the "little swirly nozzle" that fits in an induction bowl? So you lift the can up and pour it out, and have a collection of them on the side. Then when your tank is half-full of chem and water, you use this mix to rinse your cans, then set them aside, and when you add the remaining clean water in you do a 2nd rinse with just the clean. Now the yellow BASF handles are fine to lift the cans up, but when you pop them over the nozzle the handle dangles down and gets either in the bowl or diute chem on it, and I dont like that. Also, I just dont see the point when moulded handles are fine for 10lt drums.

The BASF "ribbed for her pleasure" cans are a total hate - it's as if they have spent some time designing them to be the absolute worst for all farmers:

1) Stupid flappy handles that dont make handling easier,
2) Silly ridges that make it trickier to clean out,
3) Translucent but not clear so you can see.

It's as iff they have asked us what we want and then said "sod you we will do the opposite so they look pretty and distinct".

The best cans are the 5lt Bayer cans which have foil-less lids that you dont need to be He-Man to open; clear plastic with no dimples for easy cleaning; moulded handle. Just go and get a 5lt tub of Proline and thats about as good as it needs to be. But upscale for 10lt and put everything in 10lt tubs.

Another hated can is the DuPont lt one with the nastly looking "square chunk" handle.

What @static has said above is a perfect example of something that is best viewed on farm to understand the issue. I have exactly the same issue with the same cans and there flappy handles.

 

[franklin]

I don't hate the BASF cans quite as much and find them ok to deal with, but your comments on Bayer and DuPont cans are spot on.

I dont use much BASF stuff, mainly due to price. I hate them mostly on the grounds that they have had a think about changing something and ended up making it worse!

 

[aowen]

Ok, so to get some of the stickier stuff from the BASF cans - Picona / Galivor / PicoPro - it is best to rinse them using the dilute chem mix in your tank through the induction hopper. I take it you know what I mean when I say I am using the "little swirly nozzle" that fits in an induction bowl? So you lift the can up and pour it out, and have a collection of them on the side. Then when your tank is half-full of chem and water, you use this mix to rinse your cans, then set them aside, and when you add the remaining clean water in you do a 2nd rinse with just the clean. Now the yellow BASF handles are fine to lift the cans up, but when you pop them over the nozzle the handle dangles down and gets either in the bowl or diute chem on it, and I dont like that. Also, I just dont see the point when moulded handles are fine for 10lt drums.

The BASF "ribbed for her pleasure" cans are a total hate - it's as if they have spent some time designing them to be the absolute worst for all farmers:

1) Stupid flappy handles that dont make handling easier,
2) Silly ridges that make it trickier to clean out,
3) Translucent but not clear so you can see.

It's as iff they have asked us what we want and then said "sod you we will do the opposite so they look pretty and distinct".

The best cans are the 5lt Bayer cans which have foil-less lids that you dont need to be He-Man to open; clear plastic with no dimples for easy cleaning; moulded handle. Just go and get a 5lt tub of Proline and thats about as good as it needs to be. But upscale for 10lt and put everything in 10lt tubs.

Another hated can is the DuPont lt one with the nastly looking "square chunk" handle.

@static Thank you for your quick and thorough reply, your feedback is very much appreciated!

 

[franklin]

Welcome. I await the huge fees for product development, and any future testing.

 

[aowen]

What @static has said above is a perfect example of something that is best viewed on farm to understand the issue. I have exactly the same issue with the same cans and there flappy handles.[/QUO

whats the new idea of not printing all the information on the label all about , having to get your phone and using your phone app reader is a back ward step , some folk do not have a good phone signal let alone a modern tec phone .

@quavers I'm not sure who's labels you may be referring to, please kindly share?

 

[aowen]

Thank you everyone who has taken the time to contribute to this topic. I have since met with some kind farmers from the forum to discuss this subject in more detail, and have found it most interesting to learn about real user-experiences of pesticide packaging. I am hopeful that this information can be used to help support future change - It has certainly given us some food for thought! We are in early stages of discussions regarding an analysis of our EU/UK packaging, however, will be sure to update on any progress along the way. Thank you all again!

 

[Steevo]

Thank you everyone who has taken the time to contribute to this topic. I have since met with some kind farmers from the forum to discuss this subject in more detail, and have found it most interesting to learn about real user-experiences of pesticide packaging. I am hopeful that this information can be used to help support future change - It has certainly given us some food for thought! We are in early stages of discussions regarding an analysis of our EU/UK packaging, however, will be sure to update on any progress along the way. Thank you all again!

Which firm do you work for please?

 

[david]

@Steevo

UPL (?) ...........as mentioned in opening post...........

Good Day FF,

Some of you may have been involved in a recent thread 'Pesticide Labels' and as a result of feedback gained from the forum, changes are expected to be implemented to enable clearer information on UPL's UK labels.

Following on from that, I am keen to gain your feedback on your experience with actual pesticide packaging (i.e. cans, bags, sizes, types, usability, etc...) and kindly ask you to share your likes, dislikes and user experiences?

Again, your comments will be used to help improve future packaging of pesticide products so please do share - Thank you.

 

[Steevo]

@Steevo

UPL (?) ...........as mentioned in opening post...........

I went back to the OP to check but my skim reading didn't spot it.

I must've read it at some point though as my first post in this thread related directly to my own UPL experiences!!

 

[Steevo]

Thanks!

P.S SteveO is going to get a shock being tagged like that....he hasn't visited the forum since Aug 15!

 

[aowen]

Ooops @Steevo I meant obviously