Petition to reform the new landscape schemes

[SteveHants]

Hang on…. Wealthy enough to own land? If it is inherited it doesnt mean you are ’wealthy‘!!

Never heard the term "asset rich"?

 

[ajd132]

Hang on…. Wealthy enough to own land? If it is inherited it doesnt mean you are ’wealthy‘!!

It does give you the ability to raise funds very quickly

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

That only happens if tenants use it to bid up rents

Or land owners use it to bid rent up on land to let.

 

[Clive]

Hang on…. Wealthy enough to own land? If it is inherited it doesnt mean you are ’wealthy‘!!

yes it does …….. you may not want to but you can sell it ! or leverage it to borrow against / take dividends (rent) from


inheritance land owners are certainly more wealthy than most people who don’t inherit land !

 

[Clive]

Never heard the term "asset rich"?

rich is rich ! - most peoples wealth is held in asset form (land, property, businesses, shares etc)…….. space rockets even ! . and not cash

choosing to hold that asset and be cash poor is a choice

 

[Clive]

That only happens if tenants use it to bid up rents

which they do ……., and those that don’t may as well not bother

 

[Henarar]

yes it does …….. you may not want to but you can sell it ! or leverage it to borrow against / take dividends (rent) from


inheritance land owners are certainly more wealthy than most people who don’t inherit land !

How much does a person have to be worth for you to class them as wealthy ?

 

[DaveGrohl]

Signed.

 

[Clive]

How much does a person have to be worth for you to class them as wealthy ?

good question !

i guess anyone who has money to invest has wealth ? ie more than they need to live

then there are degrees of wealth from “a bit” to “obscene “. …….

 

[Clive]

 

[nelly55]

 

[glasshouse]

They need to make sure that payments go to tenants and not to landlords who evict them

 

[Cowcorn]

I have no issues with Farmers being subsidised IF there is good reason to do so - to be clear that is farming however, ie the income derived from growing food or creating natural capital NOT a reward for simply owning land - which if you are wealthy enough to be in a position of owning land there is absolutely no good argument that you need a subsidy to repay that (optional) investment ........ regardless of how you came to own that investment, ie inheritance, earnings form farming or other trades or even if you have chosen t borrow tom fund the investment, it remains an investment and not a trade like farming is

Just about every Sub scheme I have lived through to date has gone wrong because it fails to address this vital difference, the results being that one way or another the sub ends up in. the landowners pocket not the farmers - farmers are not landowners and landowners are not farmers ........ but you can be both (as I am)

Thats because you live in England where every well meaning eu farm support was tapered away from the farmer to make its way way into the landlords pocket !!
The SFP on stacked entilements stayed with me and any of my landlords who refused to take a rent haircut were told to shove it up their arses ....
The establishment always looked after the Dukes and Crooks down through the ages .
Mores the pity your forefathers didnt hang the lot of them and burn and sack the estates and take and divide the land for themselves .T
Thats the sort of "rewilding " that would tighten the shite in Goldsmith ....

 

[Happy]

Thankfully I’m not farming in England but this is how what is happening down there right now looks to many of us from the outside.

English farmers are changed from proud food producers to park keepers

ENGLISH FARMING has a proud heritage. It drove agriculture elsewhere in the world with people, expertise and livestock breeds. It spawned giant…

www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk

For all your sakes I hope as many as possible wake up and sign the petition before it’s too late.
You just have to look at what has happened to poor @copperbeach in the past week for a taster of where many will be headed if the lunatics that are in charge of the Defra system carry on being given the free reign they have.

 

[neilo]

How much does a person have to be worth for you to class them as wealthy ?

More than the person doing the labelling?

 

[neilo]

They need to make sure that payments go to tenants and not to landlords who evict them

A lofty ambition, but how?

 

[glasshouse]

A lofty ambition, but how?

Quite simple
Land taken in hand should be made ineligible for any subsidy going forward.

 

[zero]

Signed.

 

[Clive]

Quite simple
Land taken in hand should be made ineligible for any subsidy going forward.

i think the solution maybe to make sfi / css etc only claimable by an active farm business ……….. BUT after tightening up this definition to avoid sham contract farming etc ……. something along the lines of at least 50% your income must come from farming for example

 

[neilo]

i think the solution maybe to make sfi / css etc only claimable by an active farm business ……….. BUT after tightening up this definition to avoid sham contract farming etc ……. something along the lines of at least 50% your income must come from farming for example

As an individual, or as the farming company that is farming a particular block of land?
It’s impossible to make it so that there can’t be ways round it tbh.