Petrol Cars

Did not bend any rules/scapegoat, they engineered and installed software designed to cheat...........they almost got away with it too.
There troubles are not over yet, just this week the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission) announced their intention to prosecute VW.......seems while carrying out their illegal activities they were also issuing bonds to raise capital...........that's a big no,no and will cost them mega money.
A more corrupt organisation is hard to imagine.

As to the other point about the availability of diesel fuel, where do you think the millions and millions of trucks' obtain their fuel..?
All manufacturers are cheating with emissions and mpg data to a larger and larger degree just to sell cars, there are very few that genuinely achieve the mpg quoted: our old tdi 1998 Passat could genuinely achieve 65 mpg on a run up to Norfolk sat at 68mph on the cruise, yet a modern 2010 small Golf cr diesel is around 60 mpg, yet claims over 70 mpg. I agree VW are pushing their luck with emissions, but for the purpose of the test it passed. No different from sitting an exam yourself, passing and then forgetting it all. Mountain out of mole hill to my mind and the legislature/Judiciary are just enshrining your own culture. Were the bonds referred to issued in Germany or the USA?

Although I’m an admirer of American Engineering and own a Mercury outboard and have JDs on farm, culturaly diesels have never been popular in the states. The first V8 diesel GM made in the 80s was a disaster and JDs struggle for fuel efficiency. It’s a fact that excess petrol refined in Europe is shipped to the states. Do GM or Ford make a small 4 cylinder diesel in the states?

On the same note of colussion/ protectionist mentality most of the big American tech companies are in China eg Apple and Microsoft too, unfortunately I’m not party to the relationship VW and China have. But agree that lithium is a rare element and it wouldn’t surprise me that VW were following the money!
 

Lincsman

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All manufacturers are cheating with emissions and mpg data to a larger and larger degree just to sell cars, there are very few that genuinely achieve the mpg quoted: our old tdi 1998 Passat could genuinely achieve 65 mpg on a run up to Norfolk sat at 68mph on the cruise, yet a modern 2010 small Golf cr diesel is around 60 mpg, yet claims over 70 mpg. I agree VW are pushing their luck with emissions, but for the purpose of the test it passed. No different from sitting an exam yourself, passing and then forgetting it all. Mountain out of mole hill to my mind and the legislature/Judiciary are just enshrining your own culture. Were the bonds referred to issued in Germany or the USA?

Although I’m an admirer of American Engineering and own a Mercury outboard and have JDs on farm, culturaly diesels have never been popular in the states. The first V8 diesel GM made in the 80s was a disaster and JDs struggle for fuel efficiency. It’s a fact that excess petrol refined in Europe is shipped to the states. Do GM or Ford make a small 4 cylinder diesel in the states?

On the same note of colussion/ protectionist mentality most of the big American tech companies are in China eg Apple and Microsoft too, unfortunately I’m not party to the relationship VW and China have. But agree that lithium is a rare element and it wouldn’t surprise me that VW were following the money!
VW designed in cheat software (that only became active in the very few cars that were tested) to be able to continue selling high polluting engines that others had given up selling as they could not clean them up, a little different to massaging MPG figures of a car that is clean enough in everyday use to sell legally.
 
All manufacturers are cheating with emissions and mpg data to a larger and larger degree just to sell cars, there are very few that genuinely achieve the mpg quoted: our old tdi 1998 Passat could genuinely achieve 65 mpg on a run up to Norfolk sat at 68mph on the cruise, yet a modern 2010 small Golf cr diesel is around 60 mpg, yet claims over 70 mpg. I agree VW are pushing their luck with emissions, but for the purpose of the test it passed. No different from sitting an exam yourself, passing and then forgetting it all. Mountain out of mole hill to my mind and the legislature/Judiciary are just enshrining your own culture. Were the bonds referred to issued in Germany or the USA?

Although I’m an admirer of American Engineering and own a Mercury outboard and have JDs on farm, culturaly diesels have never been popular in the states. The first V8 diesel GM made in the 80s was a disaster and JDs struggle for fuel efficiency. It’s a fact that excess petrol refined in Europe is shipped to the states. Do GM or Ford make a small 4 cylinder diesel in the states?

On the same note of colussion/ protectionist mentality most of the big American tech companies are in China eg Apple and Microsoft too, unfortunately I’m not party to the relationship VW and China have. But agree that lithium is a rare element and it wouldn’t surprise me that VW were following the money!
Think you can buy a diesel version of the mid-size Dodge/Chevy Colorado but for most part regular vehicles are gasoline until you get to the larger pickups.
Like you I thought small diesels would catch on, I bought 3 Jeeps all with Diesels over the years all traded now but around locally (the Grande Cherokee now has 325k miles and looks great)
Several reasons I think why the diesel thing never took off...........cost of fuel, it varies but is more expensive at the pump..70cents more per gal currently.
Climate, a lot of the country can be extreemly cold for several months, that means plugging in overnight...not always possible/hassle.
Purchase cost is higher, servicing costs are higher compared to gasoline/petrol.
The recent furor over VW/Audi diesels was the final nail..........they were sort of popular with owners who bought and liked them but all that evaporated with the emission scandle, most owners did the buyback thing, VW were forced to pay top book plus compensation.
 
After a generation of driving Diesel cars, I have traded my Diesel in.......... for a Petrol Car

I'm sure I will miss the torque and mpg, but 10 ppl at the pumps will ease the pain and the wallet somewhat

Garage said that everyone buying daily drivers were going Hybrid or Petrol nowadays

Sign of the times, due to government policy and views I guess
Buy vw car petrol there awesome
 

Lincsman

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Location
Lincolnshire
Not up to speed with modern cars tbh, are you saying this was an old engine that vw didn’t update?
It was several engines, they didnt do the R&D like other makers to make them "clean", the software changed while under testing so buyers thought they were clean and very economical due to the data in the testers results. After they were caught they had a program to put them right but this is now generally not done as the engines simply are not capable of it, which isnt surprising otherwise why cheat in the first place?
 

Scribus

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Location
Central Atlantic
All manufacturers are cheating with emissions and mpg data to a larger and larger degree just to sell cars, there are very few that genuinely achieve the mpg quoted: our old tdi 1998 Passat could genuinely achieve 65 mpg on a run up to Norfolk sat at 68mph on the cruise, yet a modern 2010 small Golf cr diesel is around 60 mpg, yet claims over 70 mpg. I agree VW are pushing their luck with emissions, but for the purpose of the test it passed. No different from sitting an exam yourself, passing and then forgetting it all. Mountain out of mole hill to my mind and the legislature/Judiciary are just enshrining your own culture. Were the bonds referred to issued in Germany or the USA?

Although I’m an admirer of American Engineering and own a Mercury outboard and have JDs on farm, culturaly diesels have never been popular in the states. The first V8 diesel GM made in the 80s was a disaster and JDs struggle for fuel efficiency. It’s a fact that excess petrol refined in Europe is shipped to the states. Do GM or Ford make a small 4 cylinder diesel in the states?

On the same note of colussion/ protectionist mentality most of the big American tech companies are in China eg Apple and Microsoft too, unfortunately I’m not party to the relationship VW and China have. But agree that lithium is a rare element and it wouldn’t surprise me that VW were following the money!
China is VW's largest market, it's obviously very important to them and something they would wish to preserve. I doubt that they would have achieved that without some sort of deal or a series of nods and winks.
 

Scribus

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Location
Central Atlantic

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Well, I got the Petrol car home today and after driving down the A1 after a bit around the hills of Northumberland, I miss the torque of a diesel for sure

Same engine bhp as the diesel variant of same car, but half the torque:scratchhead:

So I will have to adapt the driving style, a bit and rev it more................as I have forgotten how to drive a petrol car, as it's been over 20 years, since last driving and owning one:ROFLMAO:

Pleased with overall mpg at 33.5mpg (not bad for a SUV and 10 mpg down on the exact same diesel variant, I traded in this morning) on a very mixed 100 miles home.

One thing that struck is how sweet/smooth and quiet the car is to drive, the controls are so light with a lighter engine and the clutch/gearbox is a joy to behold - compared to the diesel variant of same SUV

I think I will like it, for a car......................still got the Hilux 3litre for my diesel fix
 

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