Picking sheepdog pups

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
As some on here already know, I had a litter of pups out of one of my collies in December.

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The old girl done well, having a litter of 8, all tri-coloured and has done a smashing job of rearing them. They are now 6 weeks old, eating like a plague of locusts and approaching weaning rapidly. Four of them were accounted for as soon as they were born, including the dog's owner (and breeder of the bitch) having one back and me keeping another. The other four I will have to advertise soon.

I bought the mother fully trained last January, and by April she had the makings of a good lambing dog. I'm really looking forward to working with her in the paddocks this April, as she's come on leaps and bounds as a 'farm dog' now, and nearly got the trial training out of her system.

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They are very well bred, with mother and father both being good trial dogs with Paul Tompkins, so I'd be daft not to have one to run on, even if it goes off for training later on. I'd obviously like to keep them all at this stage, as they are sooooo cute.:love: However, one it will be..... and I've been told.:stop:

Anyway, the time is coming when I will have to make a decision. It was easy last time I attempted to breed a pup, as the old lady only had one bitch. I definitely want to keep a bitch, but there are 5 of them in this litter!
Initial thinking was 'Red', who has always headed to me for a fuss and a real strong one, taking no nonsense from the lads of the litter. She's also got an appetite to match them and certainly a good do'er.
More recently, I'm starting to have my eye on 'Pink', a bit smaller but looks the sharpest of the litter. She often sits off on her own watching the mayhem thoughtfully, but not timid when in the middle of the scrum.

What should I be looking for? How does anyone else go about picking a pup for a working sheepdog? Or is it all a load of b*llo**s, you might as well just pick one at random and hope for the best?:scratchhead:

Any advice gratefully received.
 

glensman

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Antrim
(y)
As some on here already know, I had a litter of pups out of one of my collies in December.

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The old girl done well, having a litter of 8, all tri-coloured and has done a smashing job of rearing them. They are now 6 weeks old, eating like a plague of locusts and approaching weaning rapidly. Four of them were accounted for as soon as they were born, including the dog's owner (and breeder of the bitch) having one back and me keeping another. The other four I will have to advertise soon.

I bought the mother fully trained last January, and by April she had the makings of a good lambing dog. I'm really looking forward to working with her in the paddocks this April, as she's come on leaps and bounds as a 'farm dog' now, and nearly got the trial training out of her system.

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They are very well bred, with mother and father both being good trial dogs with Paul Tompkins, so I'd be daft not to have one to run on, even if it goes off for training later on. I'd obviously like to keep them all at this stage, as they are sooooo cute.:love: However, one it will be..... and I've been told.:stop:

Anyway, the time is coming when I will have to make a decision. It was easy last time I attempted to breed a pup, as the old lady only had one bitch. I definitely want to keep a bitch, but there are 5 of them in this litter!
Initial thinking was 'Red', who has always headed to me for a fuss and a real strong one, taking no nonsense from the lads of the litter. She's also got an appetite to match them and certainly a good do'er.
More recently, I'm starting to have my eye on 'Pink', a bit smaller but looks the sharpest of the litter. She often sits off on her own watching the mayhem thoughtfully, but not timid when in the middle of the scrum.

What should I be looking for? How does anyone else go about picking a pup for a working sheepdog? Or is it all a load of b*llo**s, you might as well just pick one at random and hope for the best?:scratchhead:

Any advice gratefully received.
Throw them in a rubix cube and see which one finishes it first.
 

Dyffryn

Member
Location
Corwen
I was told in NZ allways keep the runt! Because its allways had to fight for its food. So i kept a runt from a huntaway litter and he is a very good dog. But I usually go for the one that likes a little fuss. When I go in amongst them.
 

Downton_shep

Member
Location
Leintwardine
Never easy picking a pup from your own litter! But If you’ve narrowed it down to two I would go for the one with the darkest roofed mouth. It might be a old wives tale but it seams to be true. The darker mouthed ones always stronger.
You don’t have to choose yet just don’t sell either till the rest are spoken for then decide.
Red sounds like a nice pup.
 

Tim W

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Thought you would have it sorted by now @neilo ---- my dogs have been recorded for many generations & i can now give you EBV's for a whole rack of traits. Shittin' on the carpet, chewing quad seats, ignoring every word you utter & of course escaping when in heat and shagin' the toy poodle from the village ;) ---makes selecting a pup so much easier!
 

scholland

Member
Location
ze3
I've failed miserably at the task in hand a few times....
Don't go for a really quiet shy one, but not the most full on one either. I like one that suits back and watches what's going on a bit but that likes your attention.
Most importantly pick one you like the look of and you'll need luck!
 

MJT

Member
Kept 2 from a litter last April , the strongest wildest dog pup and a very thoughtful bitch pup who sat back and took everything in . Both are keen on sheep, the dog pups really full on and strong, but pretty unruly (his names Ruff which is very apt ) , the thoughtful bitch pup is not so full on and sheep obsessed but still sits and takes it all in and wants to work. I think il be picking the thoughtful one again next time I have to pick, think the strongest wildest one in the litter will be hell of a dog but is going to take some stopping !
 

bovrill

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
Never easy picking a pup from your own litter!
Quite.
Get someone you know that works dogs, but doesn't know the litter, to come and give them a look and pick the one they'd have. I think there's a certain amount of gut instinct involved, a little look or a shove through the litter can make the decision.

What would be great would be if you disagreed with their choice, and can't understand why they didn't pick a particular different one. Then you know that's the one for you!
 

Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
Pick the one you like best when you are enjoying the pups company. You'll like that one most and give it a better go than one you feel coerced into keeping to comply with someone's convention. They will all have the same good genes in them somewhere. And happy, sad, bouncy, noisy, quiet puppy traits are not nurtured adult sheepdog traits so unless you keep them all till training age you're picking an apple on pear traits at a few weeks old.
Unless you have an iron hard will don't be tempted to keep them both. Left together they will buddy bond rather than become your shadow unless you have the will to house, train, exercise and befriend them separately.
 
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Longlowdog

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Aberdeenshire
I've picked all my field sports dogs on the basis of a good pedigree and whichever looks the smartest to my eye, on one occasion at 3 days old and on another I booked a golden cocker bitch after hearing of the mating to secure what I wanted. I end up with the dog I wanted on aesthetic grounds and I therefore give it my best effort because they please me from the moment I see them in the morning till I turn off the lights. I have not failed to be rewarded by any dog I bought yet.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Not picked many pups but old school things to look for, dark mouth, dark pads, bump on back of head and 3 whiskers coming from underneath bottom jaw.
Another way is which pup actually comes forward to you, ie the pup picks you.
3rd way is which ever one is first to pee on your boots.

They all come forward to me, I’m carrying a bloody great bowl of food for them 3 times a day!
 

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