Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[sodbuster]

Here's a good one for you. We have a fairly large farm steading that has been built up over the last 30 years. All of the sheds apart from 1 have no form of planning permission. We are miles off the beaten track and not really visible to any immediate neighbours so never really thought planning permission mattered. Anyway, recently I thought I would try take advantage of the young farmer capital grants (Scotland) and I have applied for prior notification for a cattle shed in order to put in an application for the grant. However I got an e-mail back from planners today with photographs of the latest buildings wondering what planning I had if any in place. Just wondering where I stand or how to resolve the situation??? I am considering inviting the planning officer out to discuss. Thoughts please and thanks

 

[Nearly]

Here's a good one for you. We have a fairly large farm steading that has been built up over the last 30 years. All of the sheds apart from 1 have no form of planning permission. We are miles off the beaten track and not really visible to any immediate neighbours so never really thought planning permission mattered. Anyway, recently I thought I would try take advantage of the young farmer capital grants (Scotland) and I have applied for prior notification for a cattle shed in order to put in an application for the grant. However I got an e-mail back from planners today with photographs of the latest buildings wondering what planning I had if any in place. Just wondering where I stand or how to resolve the situation??? I am considering inviting the planning officer out to discuss. Thoughts please and thanks

Look on Google earth to see when you can claim the sheds were put up.
Anything over 7 years should be 'safe'.
Can you blame a deceased relative or previous business?

 

[Forever Fendt]

Here's a good one for you. We have a fairly large farm steading that has been built up over the last 30 years. All of the sheds apart from 1 have no form of planning permission. We are miles off the beaten track and not really visible to any immediate neighbours so never really thought planning permission mattered. Anyway, recently I thought I would try take advantage of the young farmer capital grants (Scotland) and I have applied for prior notification for a cattle shed in order to put in an application for the grant. However I got an e-mail back from planners today with photographs of the latest buildings wondering what planning I had if any in place. Just wondering where I stand or how to resolve the situation??? I am considering inviting the planning officer out to discuss. Thoughts please and thanks

The LPA should proceed your application regardless of what as gone on before ,if your last building has been up over 2 years you are entitled to use the prior notification route but you may need evidence on the time scale ,i would not get into any dialogue at the moment ,let them show there hand first, i don't see how the new application can not be dealt with as it should be and they only have 28 days to do this starting from the day after you submitted all the information and fee

 

[Forever Fendt]

The LPA should proceed your application regardless of what as gone on before ,if your last building has been up over 2 years you are entitled to use the prior notification route but you may need evidence on the time scale ,i would not get into any dialogue at the moment ,let them show there hand first, i don't see how the new application can not be dealt with as it should be and they only have 28 days to do this starting from the day after you submitted all the information and fee

thinking about it the two years will not matter as it will not be P/D on your last shed you would have to do a retrospective full planing if they push you that way.Anything over 4 years and you could get a clu

 

[sodbuster]

Thanks for input so far, I might sleep tonight now

 

[Hilly]

Thanks for input so far, I might sleep tonight now

Give them 9k retrospective planning and they will go away.

 

[ThickEric]

Earlier this year my wife decided she wanted a little greenhouse. Not normally a planning issue for most people, however our house has no permitted development rights and when I came to put in the required planning application (which, like the idiot I am, expected to be a simple formality), I got into a right mess with the planning department in determining where it could go. The conservation officer didn't want a greenhouse anywhere near the house and planning at first thought our garden was an incredibly small agricultural field. GeorgieB82 helped me see through all this and the planning lady eventually turned out to be helpful too when it came to find ways to overcome the conservation objections.

George, many thanks for the encouragement you gave me to make this application a success. At just 6' by 8', is this a record for the smallest building you have been involved with ?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Earlier this year my wife decided she wanted a little greenhouse. Not normally a planning issue for most people, however our house has no permitted development rights and when I came to put in the required planning application (which, like the idiot I am, expected to be a simple formality), I got into a right mess with the planning department in determining where it could go. The conservation officer didn't want a greenhouse anywhere near the house and planning at first thought our garden was an incredibly small agricultural field. GeorgieB82 helped me see through all this and the planning lady eventually turned out to be helpful too when it came to find ways to overcome the conservation objections.

George, many thanks for the encouragement you gave me to make this application a success. At just 6' by 8', is this a record for the smallest building you have been involved with ?

I'm glad I was assistance, as a stand alone building it is my smallest but I have had applications for porches in the past!

 

[wasted years]

I am looking at a large house that has been split into flats at some point but has been disused for a year and needs renovation.
It is in a conservation area but not listed, it needs completely rewindowed (36 of them) and the windows in are single pane and knackered.
I doubt anyone will have any photographic evidence of the windows as they are now and thw house is surrounded by trees.
What does a conservation area mean as far as the windows go , if we put new units in as the old ones look would anyone even care?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I am looking at a large house that has been split into flats at some point but has been disused for a year and needs renovation.
It is in a conservation area but not listed, it needs completely rewindowed (36 of them) and the windows in are single pane and knackered.
I doubt anyone will have any photographic evidence of the windows as they are now and thw house is surrounded by trees.
What does a conservation area mean as far as the windows go , if we put new units in as the old ones look would anyone even care?

Each local authority will uphold a conservation area differently, if you have time before pulling the trigger I would get in touch with the council's conservation officer and ask their opinion. They are usually easy to deal with as they would rather give you advice first than enforce afterwards.

It may be that you will need to have windows in keeping with the neighbours or what is there currently. You can usually get windows made to modern standards that would satisfy the conservation area.

 

[Greenbeast]

It may be that you will need to have windows in keeping with the neighbours or what is there currently. You can usually get windows made to modern standards that would satisfy the conservation area.

Indeed, this is something my step-dad does, makes new timber sash windows with double glazing that are in keeping with the rest of the property and/or neighbours.

 

[wasted years]

Indeed, this is something my step-dad does, makes new timber sash windows with double glazing that are in keeping with the rest of the property and/or neighbours.

I was thinking that as long as the design was the same that plastic units would be fine as I doubt anyone would have any evidence to the contary.
There is one plastic unit in the house already, presumably fitted ages ago without permission.

 

[7610 super q]

Indeed, this is something my step-dad does, makes new timber sash windows with double glazing that are in keeping with the rest of the property and/or neighbours.

Could you PM me his number for future reference please ?
I assume you mean make them to sell, rather than for his own house ?

 

[7610 super q]

Indeed, this is something my step-dad does, makes new timber sash windows with double glazing that are in keeping with the rest of the property and/or neighbours.

To sell, rather than for his own use ?
If so, could you PM me his number for future reference please ?

 

[Greenbeast]

To sell, rather than for his own use ?
If so, could you PM me his number for future reference please ?

Yeah he's a carpenter by trade
Will do

 

[Nearly]

Each local authority will uphold a conservation area differently, if you have time before pulling the trigger I would get in touch with the council's conservation officer and ask their opinion. They are usually easy to deal with as they would rather give you advice first than enforce afterwards.

It may be that you will need to have windows in keeping with the neighbours or what is there currently. You can usually get windows made to modern standards that would satisfy the conservation area.

@JLTate

 

[Headless chicken]

@GeorgieB82 after some advise please about getting a caravan for a vet student only a month but would in a perfect world rent it out as a holiday let other times. How easy is this going to be? We've been advised that it would be a flat out no for a farm worked full time. Any other ideas?

 

[Forever Fendt]

@GeorgieB82 after some advise please about getting a caravan for a vet student only a month but would in a perfect world rent it out as a holiday let other times. How easy is this going to be? We've been advised that it would be a flat out no for a farm worked full time. Any other ideas?

Do you even need planning if its less than 28 days use per year ?

 

[Headless chicken]

Do you even need planning if its less than 28 days use per year ?

That's a good question. How would they know if i was using it more than that??

 

[Greenbeast]

That's a good question. How would they know if i was using it more than that??

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