Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

CORNFLAKE

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
I have a little query that I would appreciate your thoughts on please.
We are just about to start building an agricultural building of about 130m2 which we have full planning for and have been approached by a neighbour who would like to rent it off us to use for dog clipping / grooming. Is it possible to get change of use immediately after its built or do we need to use it for ag first and for how long?
Thanks.
 
@GeorgieB82 after some advise please about getting a caravan for a vet student only a month but would in a perfect world rent it out as a holiday let other times. How easy is this going to be? We've been advised that it would be a flat out no for a farm worked full time. Any other ideas?
Sorry @Headless chicken I've been away for the weekend and I'm only just catching up.

National policy supports tourism in the rural areas and I can't understand why you were advised that being a full time farm would make any difference. Also, for the vet student, consent for seasonal accomodation for farm workers could be obtained.

If you want to discuss the particulars of your needs please feel free to PM me or email [email protected]
 
I have a little query that I would appreciate your thoughts on please.
We are just about to start building an agricultural building of about 130m2 which we have full planning for and have been approached by a neighbour who would like to rent it off us to use for dog clipping / grooming. Is it possible to get change of use immediately after its built or do we need to use it for ag first and for how long?
Thanks.
It would depend on how strongly you emphasised the need for the building for agricultural use. If it was a "we really, really need this building for our farm to survive" then I think you would have difficulty changing the use straight away. If it was "we'd like a new building on our farm please" then you should have better luck.
Do they need all of the buliding? Could you keep part as agricultural and just change part of the use?
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I have a little query that I would appreciate your thoughts on please.
We are just about to start building an agricultural building of about 130m2 which we have full planning for and have been approached by a neighbour who would like to rent it off us to use for dog clipping / grooming. Is it possible to get change of use immediately after its built or do we need to use it for ag first and for how long?
Thanks.

I know funds are limited.....but couldn't you just apply for planning for a second building for them? Saves messing the planners around by change of use as @GeorgieB82 says it might cause you hassle. Often better to be straight with them.
 

CORNFLAKE

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
It would depend on how strongly you emphasised the need for the building for agricultural use. If it was a "we really, really need this building for our farm to survive" then I think you would have difficulty changing the use straight away. If it was "we'd like a new building on our farm please" then you should have better luck.
Do they need all of the buliding? Could you keep part as agricultural and just change part of the use?
That is an idea to let them have part of it. It's a small piece of hard standing the other side of the road so we just put on for GP shed and got it.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Existing hardcore farmyard. Anyone know if permission is needed to concrete it.

I presume not, but thought I'd see if anyone knew anything different.

Thanks.
 

SJM

Member
Looking at putting in a milk vending machine off the farm but still on our land closer to the A road. Would be in a shipping container or garden shed so a temporary structure. No concreting. Would this require planning? Thanks
 

Dry Rot

Member
Livestock Farmer
Quote: "Going through a PD application, getting it passed, being found out for not using it for PD purposes, filing a full application would be a much more drawn out procedure".

This has happened! A firm of steel erectors applied for PD to build a 12m x 24m x 6.1m high shed "requisite" for farming their two acre plot of scrub and weeds. The plot has an agricultural holding number and a dozen sheep have since been moved in, presumably to justify the claim that it is being farmed.

Unfortunately, the company made a 'mistake' on the site plan in the application for PD by increasing the size of the holding by over 20 times and putting the proposed building over a hundred yards away on another's land, all apparently unnoticed by the planning department.

The planning department has now realised the site plan is incorrect and the steel erector is required to apply for full planning permission. The building is already erected.

What happens next and are there any grounds on which a successful objection to planning permission being granted could be made? I am in Scotland but the law is similar and I'm only looking for an opinion, not a legal ruling!
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Quote: "Going through a PD application, getting it passed, being found out for not using it for PD purposes, filing a full application would be a much more drawn out procedure".

This has happened! A firm of steel erectors applied for PD to build a 12m x 24m x 6.1m high shed "requisite" for farming their two acre plot of scrub and weeds. The plot has an agricultural holding number and a dozen sheep have since been moved in, presumably to justify the claim that it is being farmed.

Unfortunately, the company made a 'mistake' on the site plan in the application for PD by increasing the size of the holding by over 20 times and putting the proposed building over a hundred yards away on another's land, all apparently unnoticed by the planning department.

The planning department has now realised the site plan is incorrect and the steel erector is required to apply for full planning permission. The building is already erected.

What happens next and are there any grounds on which a successful objection to planning permission being granted could be made? I am in Scotland but the law is similar and I'm only looking for an opinion, not a legal ruling!
As far as I can see the building, at best, has no permission. At worst they have attempted fraud to gain an (incorrect) permission.

It's up to the planners now it's up: if "not in accordance with the local plan" they need to decide whether they would have given permission if applied for correctly. If not, issue an enforcement notice for it to be removed, if so require the builder to submit retrospective application to "regularise" the development.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
For anyone having obtained permission for a permitted development part Q, You can still apply for a farm building under the 28 day notice even though the part Q removes these rights for 10 years along as the work has not started on the works approved under part Q , also worth remembering if you have had 28 day notice approved for a agricultural building since 20th march 2013 but not started the building works you are still able to apply for residential conversion under part Q
 

Greytop

Member
Hi, I have just been knocked back on a permitted development ag barn under 465m2, the LPA saying the site which has Xmas trees on is not agricultural land, is this use not agricultural?
Tia
 

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