Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

Discussion in 'Buildings & Infrastructure' started by GeorgieB82, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. @RWG Contracts
     
  2. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    length is bay crs width is outside of steels, on an industrial building the span is generally the centre line of the main posts
     
  3. Sizes are "overall" ie outside edges.
     
  4. Evening,

    is planning permission required to erect a grain bin? I am thinking 24' diameter corrugated tin as opposed to a 10t bin on steel legs

    Thanks
     
  5. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    As its going on a base and not portable i would say the least you need is permitted development(28 day notice) but remember if you take the 28 day notice route you will be removing the right of any conversions under part Q
     
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  6. As in, you would need permission for the concrete base anyway?
     
  7. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    Best to check i am no expert,but i think it will be classed as development as its permanent and not portable so would need a consent,if it was a feed hopper i would not bother but i would be checking for the bin you speak of
     
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  8. If it is a permanent structure and involves an engineering operation then it will most likely need planning permission. I would hesitate to do it under Permitted Development if you have any plans for further PD work down the line.
     
  9. static

    static Member

    Location:
    Lincoln-ish.
    Am I right in thinking if you do a 28-day PD then you can do another, including a part Q (assuming it still exists) after 2 years have gone by? But if you do a part Q you cannot apply for any PD for the next ten years?
     
  10. I don't have the GPDO to hand or memorised verbatim so please don't take this as gospel but I believe you can make as many non part q applications as you need up to a total of 465m2 area within a two year period.
    Part Q really messes with your PD rights.
     
  11. onesiedale

    onesiedale Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    What is a 'part Q' ?
     
  12. Part Q is the conversion of Agricultural buildings to Residential
     
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  13. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    Its a bit complicated,you can not do part Q if you built a building under the prior notification (28 day) after 20th march 2013 or 10 years has lapsed, however if you had the prior approval and not built the building you can still do part Q as the key words are "no development under part 6 has taken place" , so put in a 28 day prior approval now and when it has passed in a months time you can apply for a part Q as long as you have not built the 28 day building or do a part Q application now and in 56 days if it has passed you can apply for a 28 day building as normal as long as you have not started the part Q conversion ,once the part Q is started you can still apply for farm buildings by full planning applications and if you can justify the need for the farm building the LPA will find it difficult to refuse There are other options if you have built part 6 building since 20th of march 2013 but these are a bit more contentious
     
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  14. dannewhouse

    dannewhouse Member

    Location:
    huddersfield
    anyone ever had anything to do with this part k ii.
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...agricultural-buildings-to-dwellinghouses/made

    Development is not permitted by Class Q if—

    (k)the site is, or forms part of—

    (i)a site of special scientific interest;

    (ii)a safety hazard area

    council seem to be trying to put me off at the first hurdle, they reckon I'm part of a safety hazard area but I cant find a map with these areas marked on anywhere feel like I'm being fobbed off but cant find anything to prove them wrong, or right?

    its for permitted development class Q changing stone farm buildings into dwellings
     
  15. I would ask the council to provide you with a map showing you are in such an area. They are usually surrounding high pressure gas pipelines, nuclear facilities etc.
     
  16. dannewhouse

    dannewhouse Member

    Location:
    huddersfield
    Syngenta chemical works? 0.78 miles 1.25km (accurately measured as the crow flies) away from here?
    council don't seem very keep to cooperate so ill hold my horses on that front until I need to.

    if it was so bad would you have a football stadium and cinema 0.93 miles away from it? and lots of houses within 1 mile.
    what does it actually mean other than I will have to have full planning for exactly what I could have got under class Q?
     
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  17. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
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  18. dannewhouse

    dannewhouse Member

    Location:
    huddersfield
    www.hse.gov.uk/landuseplanning/about.htm
    signed up for this and got access to it now just comes up that I am in a major hazard theres a number to ring so might see what they say tomorrow, only got so far as I'm too tight to pay for "credits" comes up that my application is more than 40 houses per hectare but I could colour a whole field in and label it landscapeing? or does it really matter? its only 4 dwellings
     
  19. Forever Fendt

    Forever Fendt Member

    Location:
    Derbyshire
    I don't know simple answer but there may be a dispensation for low density housing bu Screen Shot 2017-11-27 at 17.59.54.png t if you are in a safety hazard area obviously this rules out the part Q,Look at the the full planing route for reuse of underused/derelict buildings in the green belt this will allow a change of use from ag to residential but will cost more but won't be cost prohibitive but you will have to comply with sustainable development so will need pavements and bus stops close by
     
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  20. dannewhouse

    dannewhouse Member

    Location:
    huddersfield
    to be honest the pavements and bus stop close by wont affect me, the bus stop is pretty much as close as it could be without the bus comeing into the farm yard to turn around and as for pavements the farm lane is restricted in width between private properties (not mine) so out of my control and as it already has around 15 houses on it the 5 houses before it must be a full highway spec doesn't apply (as far as I know)

    just remembered that 1 bungalow down the farm lane is a barn conversion where they floored it and rebuilt it I will dig out that application and see what occurred.
     
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