Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[Forever Fendt]

I don't know any of those I'm afraid; will I do lol!

I think the councils view will be swayed if the land is adjoining the existing Limits of Build Development (LBD), if their housing demand is still below the acceptable level, if they do not have any allocated sites available to service that need and if what you can get on the site will make a large enough dent in their need.

Exactly,sometimes better to put a slightly larger scheme forward that will have a positive impact on the requirements of the adopted plan and it would be a good idea to see how many of the sites are considered as developable and would be a good idea to look at the LPA SHLAA report

 

[franklin]

I think the councils view will be swayed if the land is adjoining the existing Limits of Build Development (LBD), if their housing demand is still below the acceptable level, if they do not have any allocated sites available to service that need and if what you can get on the site will make a large enough dent in their need.

Yes, this. However I would say you are better off finding this info from a decent agent than from the council. A decent planning consultant will be able to see if your site is in the right place, and know the stats on numbers off the back of his / her hand.

 

[wasted years]

Yes, this. However I would say you are better off finding this info from a decent agent than from the council. A decent planning consultant will be able to see if your site is in the right place, and know the stats on numbers off the back of his / her hand.

The stats are there to be seen, the council have only 3.3 years out of the 5 years supply .
My problem is (i think ) thaat the council want development along the M6 corridor not the smaller hamlets but they mention in their 5 year supply document that even when they give permission the houses aren't always built.
Interestingly 34 new houses were built in the village nearest to me and sold straight away but that village has 2 pubs, a school, railway station etc.
The village I'm want ing to build near has a hotel but no school etc but does have a charity run bus service.
Much of the arguement for building seems to centre around sustainability , but the way the word seems to be used is that you should build houses near to houses where there are services rather than build houses near to houses where there aren't as many services.
To my mind this is why so many fellside villages are dead and devoid of services, no new houses isn't sustainable in the same way that too many together cause congestion , overcrowding of schools, pollution etc.

 

[wasted years]

There are usually two types of pre-app, a written desktop response and and site visit followed by a written response. Either way you will get an idea what the council will and won't allow in principle.

I think I will start here but the issue I have is that planning is such a dark art.
A friend of mine got a very impressive house built on farmland but it took 5 years of putting plans in, altering them but he eventually got there, even though he already has a house albeit 5 miles from his land.
The house he got wasn't in anyones plane IYSWIM.

 

[Steevo]

put a slightly larger scheme forward that will have a positive impact on the requirements of the adopted plan

That is a cracking sentence for a planning application! Government speak right there.

 

[Kidds]

The stats are there to be seen, the council have only 3.3 years out of the 5 years supply .

Are they the Council's own stats or are they the stats of the local estate agents, property development company etc? They are rarely the same in my small experience.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I think I will start here but the issue I have is that planning is such a dark art.
A friend of mine got a very impressive house built on farmland but it took 5 years of putting plans in, altering them but he eventually got there, even though he already has a house albeit 5 miles from his land.
The house he got wasn't in anyones plane IYSWIM.

It's not such a dark art when you are immersed in it every day for work but then again it can throw a curve ball every now and again!

 

[wasted years]

Are they the Council's own stats or are they the stats of the local estate agents, property development company etc? They are rarely the same in my small experience.

Council's own stats.

 

[wasted years]

It's not such a dark art when you are immersed in it every day for work but then again it can throw a curve ball every now and again!

You haven't offered to take this job on I notice!
When any member of the public can object purely because they don't like you, it is hardly scientific.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

You haven't offered to take this job on I notice!
When any member of the public can object purely because they don't like you, it is hardly scientific.

I would happily look at this for you, feel free to drop me a PM or an email.

Public objections only hold weight if their points are on planning terms and are supported by national or local policy. Just because 100 locals object does not mean the application will be refused. Our record is 90 objections to a single application and it still got approved (at appeal though!)

 

[Kidds]

Council's own stats.

In your favour then. Good luck.

 

[phillipe]

I do like the word current ,but today it got changed to decided

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I would happily look at this for you, feel free to drop me a PM or an email.

Public objections only hold weight if their points are on planning terms and are supported by national or local policy. Just because 100 locals object does not mean the application will be refused. Our record is 90 objections to a single application and it still got approved (at appeal though!)

Beat me to it. Most folk "object" on non-planning grounds and so waste their breath.

Our neighbours wanted to add a 3rd bedroom 20 years ago. They had 3 objections:

1. It'll turn the cottage into a family home and I don't want children here
2. It'll make their house worth more than mine
3. It would be over developed (cottage sits in 1 1/2 acres of garden).

I kid you not!

 

[Forever Fendt]

I do like the word current ,but today it got changed to decided

but did it say granted

 

[phillipe]

but did it say granted

Oh yes ,

 

[Forever Fendt]

Beat me to it. Most folk "object" on non-planning grounds and so waste their breath.

Our neighbours wanted to add a 3rd bedroom 20 years ago. They had 3 objections:

1. It'll turn the cottage into a family home and I don't want children here
2. It'll make their house worth more than mine
3. It would be over developed (cottage sits in 1 1/2 acres of garden).

I kid you not!

These total idiots that complain about planning applications must cost the tax payer a fortune in office hours making complaints that are nothing more than jelousey perhaps they should have to lodge a payment to complain and loose it if its unfounded and irelivent

 

[Bossfarmer]

To quantify my position, I am a smallholder and a Associate Planning Consultant with a Kent based Planning Consultancy.

I am quite happy to discuss planning issues in the forum as a member of the farming community and my comments should not be taken as gospel or used in official correspondence. If you want professional advice to help with a specific problem please feel free to PM me.

Roughly speaking how long should it take to get planning for a 16,000sq ft cattle court? 3 months?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Roughly speaking how long should it take to get planning for a 16,000sq ft cattle court? 3 months?

A standard planning application should be decided within 8 weeks from the date of validation.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

A standard planning application should be decided within 8 weeks from the date of validation.

Always pee'd us off at the EA that if a planning application was not determined within the time limit you only gained the right to go straight to appeal but if a Land Drainage consent was not determined within the tine limit you got approval by default with no conditions.

That's why LD consents about to go over time are routinely refused, to buy more time.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Always pee'd us off at the EA that if a planning application was not determined within the time limit you only gained the right to go straight to appeal but if a Land Drainage consent was not determined within the tine limit you got approval by default with no conditions.

That's why LD consents about to go over time are routinely refused, to buy more time.

Full Planning applications have no right to be automatically determined if they go over time and Permitted Development applications need to go over by 56 days to have the right to appeal the non-determination. If an application looks like it will go over time it is the proper procedure for the LPA to ask for an extension of time in writing. This tends to be the case when the Case Officer's Line Manager has the finished report but hasn't had time to ratify the decision.