Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

franklin

New Member
I would happily look at this for you, feel free to drop me a PM or an email.

Public objections only hold weight if their points are on planning terms and are supported by national or local policy. Just because 100 locals object does not mean the application will be refused. Our record is 90 objections to a single application and it still got approved (at appeal though!)

I think I had just under 5000 objections. Still passed. Not on appeal. Some even objected from overseas, if I remember rightly.
 

phillipe

Member
Having read my approval note from planning officer ,its says something like ,
Well-Being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015
The duty to improve the economic, social, environmental and cultural well-being of
Wales has been considered, in accordance with the sustainable development
principle, under section 3 of the Well-Being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015
(the WBFG Act). In reaching this recommendation, the ways of working set out at
section 5 of the WBFG Act have been taken into account and it is considered that this
recommendation is in accordance with the sustainable development principle through
its contribution towards one or more of the Welsh Ministers’ well-being objectives set
out in section 8 of the WBFG Act.
And that means dependant relative conversion ie looking after the old folk is lookec upon favourably,as it may save the welsh goverment money
 

theboytheboy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Portsmouth
Hi all, wondering if anyone can help with a question. Apologies in advance for the waffle but hopefully it gives the background info......

We have a semi detached cottage and our neighbors have recently done a very large extension and now have planning for a garden office/store.
We have no problem with this and would like to do similar ourselves.
We are located in a national park (if that makes a difference)

We currently have tenants in our cottage and are happy with them there. However in the future we would like to do the extension which would create a big enough building to "split" into two houses which myself and my sister could move into ( we may not officially split them as have been told that the planners do not like this)

If we got planning for the extension and a new timber framed garage how long do we have before we have to start the work? I would like to get permission, do the minimum to "lock it in" and allow us to come back to it if and when our tenants move on and we are ready to move back to the farm.

My understanding is its 3 years, but have been told that we could just do the footings and this would count as a start. However the planning consultant has told me that this is no longer the case and we would need to at least have the shell up.

Questions are:
What is the minimum work in terms of disruption to existing tenants we can do in order to be seen to have started?

Could building the garage count (as long as it was part of the same planning application?)
 
Hi all, wondering if anyone can help with a question. Apologies in advance for the waffle but hopefully it gives the background info......

We have a semi detached cottage and our neighbors have recently done a very large extension and now have planning for a garden office/store.
We have no problem with this and would like to do similar ourselves.
We are located in a national park (if that makes a difference)

We currently have tenants in our cottage and are happy with them there. However in the future we would like to do the extension which would create a big enough building to "split" into two houses which myself and my sister could move into ( we may not officially split them as have been told that the planners do not like this)

If we got planning for the extension and a new timber framed garage how long do we have before we have to start the work? I would like to get permission, do the minimum to "lock it in" and allow us to come back to it if and when our tenants move on and we are ready to move back to the farm.

My understanding is its 3 years, but have been told that we could just do the footings and this would count as a start. However the planning consultant has told me that this is no longer the case and we would need to at least have the shell up.

Questions are:
What is the minimum work in terms of disruption to existing tenants we can do in order to be seen to have started?

Could building the garage count (as long as it was part of the same planning application?)
You would have to start within the 3 years and every council will be different on what the expect as a start but I like your idea to put the garage on the same application and complete that, then I can't see the council having any grounds to withdraw the permission.
What I would do is get the garage up and then contact the planning officer and say that after doing the garage you have run out of money and will do the rest of the work at a later date and ask them to confirm in writing that what you have done satisfies the remit to start the work and that the permission has been enacted.
 

phillipe

Member
You would have to start within the 3 years and every council will be different on what the expect as a start but I like your idea to put the garage on the same application and complete that, then I can't see the council having any grounds to withdraw the permission.
What I would do is get the garage up and then contact the planning officer and say that after doing the garage you have run out of money and will do the rest of the work at a later date and ask them to confirm in writing that what you have done satisfies the remit to start the work and that the permission has been enacted.
Its 5 years in wales and i am going back to a job which we put the septic tank in ,had the regs agreed and paid for,going back in may after 8 years
 

NSC

Member
PDL is a very subjective matter, ultimately it is down to the Local Planning Authority to agree that it is. We have had it swing both ways in recent months with two sites, both in the same Local Authority they agreed both former horticultural nurseries! No real justification why other than it was different case officers. We are considering asking them to reconsider but are worried they will go the way of saying both are not PDL.

Any test cases or appeals to go off as mentioned before?, when a site is clearly PDL why don’t we have a clear department recognising it as such instead of in the hands of a local planner who often looks like he flips a coin to say yes or no. Often making up some rubbish when they say now blended into the landscape so cannot be classed PDL. we have thousands of tons of mining waste and many derelict buildings that have certainly not blended into the landscape. Seems like the planners often make up using two meaning framework policies it’s either PDL or not.
Theres got to be a clearer answer of how to get is classed as such. If anyone has any idea or experience of this then would love to here it. Or any links to test cases or appeals.
 
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franklin

New Member
Planning fee for 5000ft PD is about £95
Planning fee for 10,000ft is about £3k.

Can I just build one, then the other, and then get planning to join them together?
 

franklin

New Member
I'm struggling to see the excitement in paying a fee and going through the hassle of building a big shed through planning, vs two smaller ones using PD.

Was more a case of wondering if I could build the first shed, wait a couple of years and build the second the required distance away, and then apply for full planning to essentially fill the gap up and make a decent sized shed? At least that way I could test if these movable concrete panels actually can be moved!
 

dannewhouse

Member
Location
huddersfield
PD or full planning makes no difference to the fees and its no harder to go for full planning so put in for 5000 ft either pd or full, whip it up as soon as its up put in for another 5000 full planning, I do this then wait 2 years until I can afford to put the shed up! (if you really need the 2nd shed you can be putting it up as the application goes in)
 

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