Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

WoodyWoodyWoody

New Member
Honestly, I don't think he's got the balls to actually go down that route and he certainly doesn't have the money to, but then again he's skint!
I love the place and was considering buying my grandparents half which is the main reason I am interested in his actual rights.
The last thing I want is to buy them out and then end up in a legal dispute.
It's an interesting one which I think will have to be discussed in depth with a lawyer before I commit to anything.
Thanks.
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
Does anybody know when the clock start ticking on the 28 days for a Prior Notification application? I think I remember reading that it was the day after it was transferred to the local authority. It's taken my LA 5 days and they haven't 'registered' it yet, but I'm not sure if that actually makes any difference?
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Does anybody know when the clock start ticking on the 28 days for a Prior Notification application? I think I remember reading that it was the day after it was transferred to the local authority. It's taken my LA 5 days and they haven't 'registered' it yet, but I'm not sure if that actually makes any difference?
It starts the next full day after your submission of a complete application and they have to let you know by the 28th day .Deemed concent if they over run the time scale
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
It starts the next full day after your submission of a complete application and they have to let you know by the 28th day .Deemed concent if they over run the time scale

Brilliant, thanks. They've wasted five days putting it on their system then! The letter I just received says "It may be necessary to post a Site Notice (or Notices) in relation to your application", etc. But doesn't explicitly say that I DO have to post a site notice (or any template of how it should be laid out).

Do I have to post a site notice, and should I just make up my own?
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
Do I have to post a site notice, and should I just make up my own?
In the olden days the Council used to come around and pin these notices outside your gate. In these cost cutting days they ask that you do it yourself.
I can see no reason why you can't put one up if they provide the wording for you to print (that's what happens around here). Take a pic to prove you have and email it to them.
How long it remains after that nobody can say.
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
In the olden days the Council used to come around and pin these notices outside your gate. In these cost cutting days they ask that you do it yourself.
I can see no reason why you can't put one up if they provide the wording for you to print (that's what happens around here). Take a pic to prove you have and email it to them.
How long it remains after that nobody can say.

Yeah, I think I might just make something up that hopefully fulfils their requirements. Closest I can find on their website is a copy of somebody else's prior notification for demolition of something, so I'll just copy the wording I guess.

Shame it might disappear in the bad weather tomorrow as I'm away for the next three weeks, by which time their time is up ;-)

It's a private road with no public right of way, so it's not like anybody would technically be allowed to see it anyway!
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
Yeah, I think I might just make something up that hopefully fulfils their requirements. Closest I can find on their website is a copy of somebody else's prior notification for demolition of something, so I'll just copy the wording I guess.

Shame it might disappear in the bad weather tomorrow as I'm away for the next three weeks, by which time their time is up ;-)

It's a private road with no public right of way, so it's not like anybody would technically be allowed to see it anyway!
Don't do it unless you are told to and let them write it for you to print and put up.
If they don't then there's no need for you to do anything. "May" need to post a notice does not mean you have to so don't.
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Brilliant, thanks. They've wasted five days putting it on their system then! The letter I just received says "It may be necessary to post a Site Notice (or Notices) in relation to your application", etc. But doesn't explicitly say that I DO have to post a site notice (or any template of how it should be laid out).

Do I have to post a site notice, and should I just make up my own?
if a site notice is required the LPA will send one out or put one up themselves,Have you filled in the forms and provided elevation drawings along with a 1/1250 site plan,If you have not done elevation drawings and noted the materials to be used the LPA could consider asking for more info and get a time extension,It is a bit more trouble at the outset but it is best to provide everything they could need to get it done within the 28 days
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
if a site notice is required the LPA will send one out or put one up themselves,Have you filled in the forms and provided elevation drawings along with a 1/1250 site plan,If you have not done elevation drawings and noted the materials to be used the LPA could consider asking for more info and get a time extension,It is a bit more trouble at the outset but it is best to provide everything they could need to get it done within the 28 days

Filled in forms, big long covering letter explaining what the farm does and why we need the space (it's only 25 acres but currently have no undercover space at all at the moment).

Elevation drawings, yes. I recruited a qualified architect and expert CAD draftsman. Gave him a specification and dimensions, etc. and he did the drawings for me. He's based in Bulgaria and charged me $15 per hour for 7 hours = about £80. Worth every penny. Dread to think what an architect/engineer in the UK would have cost for the same.

Site plan, I got lucky, have a friend who worked for Ordnance Survey as a surveyor and his wife works for the EA, so between them they got me maps and sorted the site plan for me.

Also did a design statement for the barn, detailing cladding, colours, design and reasons for choosing, along with some details of the hedging that will be installed to screen the building from the track (although it's a private track anyway).

Finally, in my covering letter, I heavily detailed why we need each square metre of space based on current operations, right down to the cubic space required for hay/straw/feed and how many square metres each piece of equipment will use in the barn.

I figured if they refuse it for any reason, it's a relatively easy appeal as the detail is already all there.

I'm a bit of a softy for the countryside, so there's no concrete outside (using permeable paving) and the barn will be wooden clad rather than box profile steel. Within a couple of years the wood should weather in and it'll actually look quite nice. If you've gotta have farm buildings in the countryside, they might as well look nice, right?
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
Nice job. Hats off for the Bulgarian architect!! How did you come across him?

Yeah, I got a bit lucky with him. My background is in IT and cross-border e-Commerce so I'm used to working with foreign developers (I already have a tech team in India and another small team in Poland), so I've recruited in the tech world before. I put it out for a CAD person, and this guy also happened to have a masters in Architecture, so I struck gold with him. Nice thing is, when somebody has all those skills, it takes them half the time to complete the project. I gave him the spec on Monday afternoon, he had the drawings back to my by Thursday.

I paid a local printer to do me a couple of A2 sized copies just in case I need them, but submitted the app online so it's all electronic. Well pleased with that bit of it.

Happy to share this if anybody could use it - pm me.
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
Would he know any Polish manufacturers of oak framed buildings? We should be looking to buy a replacement for our burnt timber cowshed in a few months and it could be much cheaper sourced from Eastern Europe.

Doubt he'd know anybody in Poland, would be a bit like asking somebody here if they knew any companies in France or Germany, it's unlikely I'm afraid.

I do employ a Polish guy though, and his wife works for an architect (in the UK) that has an office in Poland. A long shot, but might be worth an ask when you're ready.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Doubt he'd know anybody in Poland, would be a bit like asking somebody here if they knew any companies in France or Germany, it's unlikely I'm afraid.

I do employ a Polish guy though, and his wife works for an architect (in the UK) that has an office in Poland. A long shot, but might be worth an ask when you're ready.
Thanks. When I have a spec I'll PM you. (y)
 

Forever Fendt

Member
Location
Derbyshire
Filled in forms, big long covering letter explaining what the farm does and why we need the space (it's only 25 acres but currently have no undercover space at all at the moment).

Elevation drawings, yes. I recruited a qualified architect and expert CAD draftsman. Gave him a specification and dimensions, etc. and he did the drawings for me. He's based in Bulgaria and charged me $15 per hour for 7 hours = about £80. Worth every penny. Dread to think what an architect/engineer in the UK would have cost for the same.

Site plan, I got lucky, have a friend who worked for Ordnance Survey as a surveyor and his wife works for the EA, so between them they got me maps and sorted the site plan for me.

Also did a design statement for the barn, detailing cladding, colours, design and reasons for choosing, along with some details of the hedging that will be installed to screen the building from the track (although it's a private track anyway).

Finally, in my covering letter, I heavily detailed why we need each square metre of space based on current operations, right down to the cubic space required for hay/straw/feed and how many square metres each piece of equipment will use in the barn.
 

HereBeDragons

New Member
So, I just got refused on this application below. BUT, I've noticed a glaring error in the determination letter. It says:

The development proposal consists of the erection of an agricultural barn which is considered not to be permitted development under the terms of Part 6 Agricultural and Forestry Class B of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015.

The thing is, I made the application under Class A, not class B. Although the farm unit is split across two sites (4 miles apart), the total acreage comes to about 10 hectares, well in excess of the 5 hectares required for class A entitlements.

Have they blundered or have I? I was certain that your 'acreage' was counted up with the total holdings (owned or rented), as long as it's within a reasonable distance of each other (4 miles should be OK?).

I've already replied and asked him to confirm if he knew it comes under Class A entitlements and not Class B, but I'm guessing they might try to fight it on the basis of the two plots not being adjoined.

Filled in forms, big long covering letter explaining what the farm does and why we need the space (it's only 25 acres but currently have no undercover space at all at the moment).

Elevation drawings, yes. I recruited a qualified architect and expert CAD draftsman. Gave him a specification and dimensions, etc. and he did the drawings for me. He's based in Bulgaria and charged me $15 per hour for 7 hours = about £80. Worth every penny. Dread to think what an architect/engineer in the UK would have cost for the same.

Site plan, I got lucky, have a friend who worked for Ordnance Survey as a surveyor and his wife works for the EA, so between them they got me maps and sorted the site plan for me.

Also did a design statement for the barn, detailing cladding, colours, design and reasons for choosing, along with some details of the hedging that will be installed to screen the building from the track (although it's a private track anyway).

Finally, in my covering letter, I heavily detailed why we need each square metre of space based on current operations, right down to the cubic space required for hay/straw/feed and how many square metres each piece of equipment will use in the barn.

I figured if they refuse it for any reason, it's a relatively easy appeal as the detail is already all there.

I'm a bit of a softy for the countryside, so there's no concrete outside (using permeable paving) and the barn will be wooden clad rather than box profile steel. Within a couple of years the wood should weather in and it'll actually look quite nice. If you've gotta have farm buildings in the countryside, they might as well look nice, right?
 

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