Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

The intended use was for general storage, sheep and cattle but the description was general storage and livestock - there were no restrictions placed on the decision so I assume that means it would be ok for all livestock? Plans change in light of things like brexit - just wondered if I needed to apply for change of use?
 
The intended use was for general storage, sheep and cattle but the description was general storage and livestock - there were no restrictions placed on the decision so I assume that means it would be ok for all livestock? Plans change in light of things like brexit - just wondered if I needed to apply for change of use?
Check the official decision notice. If the description says general storage and livestock and none of the conditions stipulate the type of livestock then anything under the definition of livestock can be housed there.
 

Bruce Almighty

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
Ok, so assuming the building was constructed under Part 6 Class A of the GPDO 2015 (Revised 2018) then you can use the building for the housing of livesock under the following conditions:

(a) that no other suitable building or structure, 400 metres or more from the curtilage of a protected building, is available to accommodate the livestock; and

(b)
(i) that the need to accommodate the livestock arises from quarantine requirements, or an emergency due to another building or structure in which the livestock could otherwise be accommodated being unavailable because it has been damaged or destroyed by fire, flood or storm; or

(ii) in the case of animals normally kept out of doors, they require temporary accommodation in a building or other structure because they are sick or giving birth or newly born, or to provide shelter against extreme weather conditions.
So using the building for lambing wouldn't be a problem if there was no other building on the holding that did comply with the 400m rule and was suitable.

If it was intended to be a cattle shed for overwintering though I would see an arguement that it did not match these criteria and would need a change of use full planning application and all the complications that arrise from that.

Thank you, I think we'll leave it as an emergency lambing shed for now
 

newbie

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Location
Lancashire
Hopefully a simple question ...
If I applied for a building on PD, is there a time frame it has to be started by, or finished by before it elapsed and I have to reapply?
Asking as I want to put up a building but don't have the cash available to complete it. I was hoping to just do the steel frame and roof then finish the cladding and concreting in a couple of years when I've saved up again?
Thanks
 
Hopefully a simple question ...
If I applied for a building on PD, is there a time frame it has to be started by, or finished by before it elapsed and I have to reapply?
Asking as I want to put up a building but don't have the cash available to complete it. I was hoping to just do the steel frame and roof then finish the cladding and concreting in a couple of years when I've saved up again?
Thanks
Under PD it must be completed within 5 years.
 

AlfM

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Norfolk
We put up a cattle building last year with full planning as it's within 400 m of a domestic property. Does this mean I've completely lost any way of putting up a straw shed under permitted development for 2 years or is there a way around this? If it is 2 years, when does that period commence? Thanks.
 
We put up a cattle building last year with full planning as it's within 400 m of a domestic property. Does this mean I've completely lost any way of putting up a straw shed under permitted development for 2 years or is there a way around this? If it is 2 years, when does that period commence? Thanks.
Unless the decision notice for your full planning applicartion has restricted development under Schedule 2 Part 6 A or B it shouldn't affect your Permitted Development rights. There is nothing in the GPDO which stops PD development after Full Planning
 

AlfM

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Norfolk
Unless the decision notice for your full planning applicartion has restricted development under Schedule 2 Part 6 A or B it shouldn't affect your Permitted Development rights. There is nothing in the GPDO which stops PD development after Full Planning
Thank you for the reply. On the Planning Portal form there is a question as to whether an agricultural building has been constructed in the last 2 years, and in brackets after it says 'optional'. Then later again 'optional', it asks if any buildings have been constructed within 90 m in the last 2 years. What are you thoughts on the 'optional' bits, just leave them or give the truth? Are these questions just trying to check whether I've already done a PD within this time frame/distance? Does the fact my last planning was 'full' mean these questions are irrelevant to a PD application anyway?
 
Thank you for the reply. On the Planning Portal form there is a question as to whether an agricultural building has been constructed in the last 2 years, and in brackets after it says 'optional'. Then later again 'optional', it asks if any buildings have been constructed within 90 m in the last 2 years. What are you thoughts on the 'optional' bits, just leave them or give the truth? Are these questions just trying to check whether I've already done a PD within this time frame/distance? Does the fact my last planning was 'full' mean these questions are irrelevant to a PD application anyway?
I would leave it blank rather than confuse matters; they will see your planning application on their file anyway.
 

fiddler

Member
Hi Georgie,

Question for you - the revised NPPF includes new policies that haven't been seen before in local plans. What happens when planning applications are submitted relating to these new policies before local authorities have updated their own policies?

Thanks

Harry
 

CORNFLAKE

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Warwickshire
Hi Georgie
Four years ago we successfully applied for the conversion of two barns to residential, we then went back and successfully applied for full planning on these barns to give us the opportunity to add more openings and take longer to complete the works. My question is have we still lost our PD rights for 10yrs? Thanks
 
Hi Georgie,

Question for you - the revised NPPF includes new policies that haven't been seen before in local plans. What happens when planning applications are submitted relating to these new policies before local authorities have updated their own policies?

Thanks

Harry
The NPPF is the overarching planning document and should always be the correct guidance at times when local policy contradicts it.
 

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