Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[theboytheboy]

Reroofing won't need permission as long as it is like for like, if you change the height, orientation or pitch then you may be entering a grey area.

If you want to replace it with a smaller one then you would need permission but being that it is within the footprint of the existing and it smaller I can not see it being a problem. I believe at that size it would only be a £96 application fee too.

What about re roofing back to the original pitched tilled roof that was removed and replaced with a flat roof about 35 years ago?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

What about re roofing back to the original pitched tilled roof that was removed and replaced with a flat roof about 35 years ago?

Once it's gone it's gone I'm afraid

 

[theboytheboy]

Once it's gone it's gone I'm afraid

Thanks

 

[peterfarmer!]

Hi Georgie
We have a block of 3 stables they have been up for 20+years with planning permission on a concrete base. Would there be a chance of replacing them with a log cabin,for holiday let or residential use? Any help will be appreciated

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi Georgie
We have a block of 3 stables they have been up for 20+years with planning permission on a concrete base. Would there be a chance of replacing them with a log cabin,for holiday let or residential use? Any help will be appreciated

It would all depend on your council and your location but nevertheless the presence of the stables wouldn't carry much weight unless you were converting them.

 

[Socksitis]

@GeorgieB82 do you have any idea if I need planning permission for a concrete yard - about 23m2 adjacent to existing farm buildings, no footpaths, but we are in a National Park?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

@GeorgieB82 do you have any idea if I need planning permission for a concrete yard - about 23m2 adjacent to existing farm buildings, no footpaths, but we are in a National Park?

Yes I would believe so, the National Park will stop you doing it under permitted development

 

[wilsongt]

Hello, apologies if this has come up before. I have class Q sold permission to convert s little metal clad timber building. I’d like to replace the metal cladding and the fibre cement roof with insulate metal panels. That will give me vapour barrier and cladding in one hit, along with a continuous wrap of insulation. But it will all site external to the frame or the building will get bigger by the with if the 150mm insulation in the insulated metal panels.

But class q says you can’t change the building dimensions. Anyone come across this before? Or if I want put in a flue for a wood burner or solar say, anything that changes the look of the building? Thanks for any advice

 

[Nearly]

Hello, apologies if this has come up before. I have class Q sold permission to convert s little metal clad timber building. I’d like to replace the metal cladding and the fibre cement roof with insulate metal panels. That will give me vapour barrier and cladding in one hit, along with a continuous wrap of insulation. But it will all site external to the frame or the building will get bigger by the with if the 150mm insulation in the insulated metal panels.

But class q says you can’t change the building dimensions. Anyone come across this before? Or if I want put in a flue for a wood burner or solar say, anything that changes the look of the building? Thanks for any advice

Internal stud wall and 100mm kingspan for walls but you might get away with raising the roof line as long as you explain (only if directly asked) that you reduced the ground level a touch to get a damp proof course in.
They can measure the width etc easily, it's not worth the risk.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hello, apologies if this has come up before. I have class Q sold permission to convert s little metal clad timber building. I’d like to replace the metal cladding and the fibre cement roof with insulate metal panels. That will give me vapour barrier and cladding in one hit, along with a continuous wrap of insulation. But it will all site external to the frame or the building will get bigger by the with if the 150mm insulation in the insulated metal panels.

But class q says you can’t change the building dimensions. Anyone come across this before? Or if I want put in a flue for a wood burner or solar say, anything that changes the look of the building? Thanks for any advice

Local Authorities are really tightening their grip on Class Q developments as there have been far more than was expected when it was introduced and people are pushing the boundaries of the GPDO to get houses where houses would normally be unacceptable so be very careful about going beyond what you have approval for. That being said raising the roof just enough to get the insulation on is unlikely to be noticed.

 

[Old Bull]

Has anyone had any experience of a neighbourhood planning forum? Having recently strongly campaigned against any development on farmland in the recent local development framework the neighbouring village have been advised by the council to set one up which basically means they have a say in any future planning proposals. They are extending the boundary of their village into ours and trying to incorporate some of our land in it and we wondered if anyone had any experience of this and how to stop your land being taken into it. Have they any legal rights to include it without our permission as we don't feel happy about a group of retired Nimbys who have come into the area recently moving into new houses having a say on land when our family have lived and worked for seven generations in the village.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Has anyone had any experience of a neighbourhood planning forum? Having recently strongly campaigned against any development on farmland in the recent local development framework the neighbouring village have been advised by the council to set one up which basically means they have a say in any future planning proposals. They are extending the boundary of their village into ours and trying to incorporate some of our land in it and we wondered if anyone had any experience of this and how to stop your land being taken into it. Have they any legal rights to include it without our permission as we don't feel happy about a group of retired Nimbys who have come into the area recently moving into new houses having a say on land when our family have lived and worked for seven generations in the village.

It's not something we have come across but it sounds much like the parish council role in our local authorities. I assume any adopted new boundaries would need public consultation and ratification from a higher authority so I would urge you to find out how you can comment on the proposals and state that you want your land excluded

 

[wilsongt]

Local Authorities are really tightening their grip on Class Q developments as there have been far more than was expected when it was introduced and people are pushing the boundaries of the GPDO to get houses where houses would normally be unacceptable so be very careful about going beyond what you have approval for. That being said raising the roof just enough to get the insulation on is unlikely to be noticed.

Thank you both for your considered replies

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Has anyone had any experience of a neighbourhood planning forum? Having recently strongly campaigned against any development on farmland in the recent local development framework the neighbouring village have been advised by the council to set one up which basically means they have a say in any future planning proposals. They are extending the boundary of their village into ours and trying to incorporate some of our land in it and we wondered if anyone had any experience of this and how to stop your land being taken into it. Have they any legal rights to include it without our permission as we don't feel happy about a group of retired Nimbys who have come into the area recently moving into new houses having a say on land when our family have lived and worked for seven generations in the village.

Are you an over occupier or a tenant? If you own the land it doesn't really matter what planning policy says (I don't believe that compulsory purchase powers can be applied to land development except for public infrastructure but could be wrong). If you are a tenant then grant of development PP is grounds for the landlord to end the tenancy.

 

[Old Bull]

It's not something we have come across but it sounds much like the parish council role in our local authorities. I assume any adopted new boundaries would need public consultation and ratification from a higher authority so I would urge you to find out how you can comment on the proposals and state that you want your land excluded

Thank you there is a public consultation on the council website so we are going to put in our objections.

 

[Old Bull]

Are you an over occupier or a tenant? If you own the land it doesn't really matter what planning policy says (I don't believe that compulsory purchase powers can be applied to land development except for public infrastructure but could be wrong). If you are a tenant then grant of development PP is grounds for the landlord to end the tenancy.

Thank you for your reply we are owner occupiers.

 

[Mac86]

Hope you don't mind but a bit of a moany post!

Have a barn on what's left of the farm (I work off it), which I own. I started down the road of a PD project converting to a house for myself but I'm starting to lose enthusiasm if I'm honest. After submission, architects, bats, building regs, drainage surveys etc I'm wondering how much is left before I can actually start the bloody thing? Time is beginning to run out since the PD was approved.

The amount I have spent so far I could have put a deposit down in a new build and be happily living in it by now, yet here I am living paycheque to paycheque having not even laid a brick, with another group popping up needing £1k+ for some other survey/drawing.

Is there light at the end of the tunnel?!

 

[teslacoils]

Sorry, can you just elaborate - they approved your pd and now keep asking for surveys?

 

[Mac86]

Forgive me - had just opened another letter and fired off my post on the back of it.

Prior approval was granted 2017, subject to bat surveys and details of materials. Bat surveys and materials/building regulations have since been approved. I'm not often present at the moment, but using a local semi retired guy to oversee it (property is not my area of expertise, sadly). He's basically telling me the next step is structural engineer drawings and also a drainage survey (both expensive).

I'd just like to know what the process has been for others? Am I being had over a barrel or is this the path others have had to tread? I just want to get on with it before my finance deposit is depleted further.

 

[teslacoils]

So, you have satisfied the bat survey and materials, so your planning is all sorted. If that was done in 2017, what's gone on in the last 18 months?!?

Local guy sounds the problem. Dump him. Get proper project manager who will get it priced and done for you.

Is the drainage survey to check the routes of the existing drains, or to test if the soil is suitable for a soak away? Do you know where your surface water and dirty water will go?