Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

coomoo

Member
With our dairy unit seemingly being too close to an existing village, what sort of planning constraints would exist with something as shown. 120 cows on site and 50 calves but a house deemed not essential. Tia
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With our dairy unit seemingly being too close to an existing village, what sort of planning constraints would exist with something as shown. 120 cows on site and 50 calves but a house deemed not essential. TiaView attachment 855889
Unfortuately, this would still need full planning permission and need to be supported by a practial and financial need assessment. If you were too close to the village for a house then you will be too close to the village for a mobile home.
 

MF35

Member
Location
Hampshire
Class Q application - what are the benefits or otherwise of withdrawing an application as opposed to leaving to receive a refusal? I would be minded to leave the application to run its course so that I can see what the issues are insofar as the reasons for refusal. Am I missing something?
 
Class Q application - what are the benefits or otherwise of withdrawing an application as opposed to leaving to receive a refusal? I would be minded to leave the application to run its course so that I can see what the issues are insofar as the reasons for refusal. Am I missing something?
Ah, a very good question. Really it's personal preference, withdrawing saves face if there are other parties that want to say "they won"; it also puts you in good grace with the case officer as it saves them a hell of a lot of paperwork and if you are going to resubmit then you can say you listened to them and revised the application.
On the other hand taking a refusal will give you the reasons in black and white and providing you don't alter the scheme but just adjust it to address the issues. If the case officer suggests you withdraw it and you leave it to be determined then they might chuck in another reason just to be awkward, something that might be more difficult to argue.
 

MF35

Member
Location
Hampshire
Thank you as always for your valuable input.

How much would one expect to pay for a written appeal and are there any appeal specialists out there for Class Q cases anyone??
 

MF35

Member
Location
Hampshire
Thank you for that. Interesting area of focus related to Ecology. Difference of opinion between Ecologists about approach. LPA appear to defer to County Council Ecologist who have not even visited the site to assess?

Anyone with experience of similar issue and or advice on approach to resolve would be appreciated.

Thank you.
 
Thank you for that. Interesting area of focus related to Ecology. Difference of opinion between Ecologists about approach. LPA appear to defer to County Council Ecologist who have not even visited the site to assess?

Anyone with experience of similar issue and or advice on approach to resolve would be appreciated.

Thank you.
If the LPA are questioning the findings of your Ecologist then I would task your Ecologist to respond. I would also ask the case officer how the County Ecologist can comment without attending site.
 

AJR75

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Basic planning question from me- I currently have a monopitch building comprising some steel framework, a mix of timber and steel and some tag ons that are just in timber only. the building dates back to around the 60's with some repair work having been carried out following the storms of 1990. So it's old and structurally unsound.

Do I need planning permission if I was to simply pull this down (before it falls down of its own accord) and replace with a steel portal frame building of the same footprint?

Should say it is currently in day to day agricultural use if that makes any difference.
 
Basic planning question from me- I currently have a monopitch building comprising some steel framework, a mix of timber and steel and some tag ons that are just in timber only. the building dates back to around the 60's with some repair work having been carried out following the storms of 1990. So it's old and structurally unsound.

Do I need planning permission if I was to simply pull this down (before it falls down of its own accord) and replace with a steel portal frame building of the same footprint?
Simple answer, yes. it will be a demolition and new building.
 

AJR75

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Thank you, much apreciated. Are there any potential pitfalls that i would need to be mindful of- ie going from monopitch to pitched roof, eaves height etc etc
 

honeyend

Member
Ah, a very good question. Really it's personal preference, withdrawing saves face if there are other parties that want to say "they won"; it also puts you in good grace with the case officer as it saves them a hell of a lot of paperwork and if you are going to resubmit then you can say you listened to them and revised the application.
On the other hand taking a refusal will give you the reasons in black and white and providing you don't alter the scheme but just adjust it to address the issues. If the case officer suggests you withdraw it and you leave it to be determined then they might chuck in another reason just to be awkward, something that might be more difficult to argue.
I would agree. We went at appeal and lost, under class Q, they just found something else to refuse it on but it was nice to have it in black and white. They over run the time limit, and I think they were just scratching around for anything to refuse it on. The main reason seemed to be that the appeals officer thought the structure was not sound enoungh to support the work. The blooming thing has stood for 70 years though fen winds and gales with no problems. We were going to infill with sips panels. We have reclad it in new tin and it will probabely be there for ever.
 
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How does this work if a storm took the shed down and you just rebuilt it on the same footprint?
Tecnically yes. If the building is no longer a building then the new one needs permission. In practical terms, if nobody is going to notice if an identical one goes back up and quicklyJFDI but if you change the materials, size, height etc then best to do it properly.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Tecnically yes. If the building is no longer a building then the new one needs permission. In practical terms, if nobody is going to notice if an identical one goes back up and quicklyJFDI but if you change the materials, size, height etc then best to do it properly.

Yes, I'm currently taking photos of my shed as the storms slowly demolish it. After this weekend it may be that it is unsafe and needs to come down anyway. I'm going to go in and see the planning officer to check before I write the cheque out.
 
Yes, I'm currently taking photos of my shed as the storms slowly demolish it. After this weekend it may be that it is unsafe and needs to come down anyway. I'm going to go in and see the planning officer to check before I write the cheque out.
Please let us know how it goes. We can no longer even talk to a planning officer without writing a cheque. If you can get free advice where you are take full advantage, it won't last long!
 

cowslave

Member
Livestock Farmer
I started a thread elsewhere on this but just come across this one.

We’re looking to put a wooden shed on some hard standing next to the track - for a vending machine to sell milk. Guy from council reckoned we’ll need full planning - I thought PD should cover it? Of course he wants £25, a form and 21 days to let me know for sure. If that’s what we have to do we will, but trying to save a few weeks if poss.

thanks
 
I started a thread elsewhere on this but just come across this one.

We’re looking to put a wooden shed on some hard standing next to the track - for a vending machine to sell milk. Guy from council reckoned we’ll need full planning - I thought PD should cover it? Of course he wants £25, a form and 21 days to let me know for sure. If that’s what we have to do we will, but trying to save a few weeks if poss.

thanks

Technically he is correct. The 'shed' would solely be used as a commercial building. In essence it is a "farm shop" although a very small one!
In my opinion it wouldn'y be worth the pre-app; a basic full planning application will be required.
 

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