So you will need to wait 10 years from the date it was built then
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- Thread starter George from SJM Planning
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Righto thanks, that's what I thought it was.
Retired Red
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Planning
After Borris Johnsons speech on planning what changes do we look for on farm building conversions or indeed farm steaming changes to residential
After Borris Johnsons speech on planning what changes do we look for on farm building conversions or indeed farm steaming changes to residential
Retired Red
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Steading not steaming !!
The proposed changes are mostly urban changes to provide more residential floorspace in existing buildings. I can't predict the future but I would expect some trade off against the current Class Q (and similar) provisions as the whole future planning policy is driven towards sustainable living and under the current guidance nowhere outside of established built up areas can be classed as sustainable as they all rely on private motorised transport.
I urgedmembers of this forum a few months ago to start looking at any potential class q conversions as I can see this provision in the gpdo being removed before too long. I am glad that several people have taken this advice and have been in contact and we are looking forward to helping them through the process.
I urgedmembers of this forum a few months ago to start looking at any potential class q conversions as I can see this provision in the gpdo being removed before too long. I am glad that several people have taken this advice and have been in contact and we are looking forward to helping them through the process.
- Location
- Sedgefield
the next Rural Business Network meeting is on planning. Particularly the NPPF
To register for this zoom visit www.rbn.org.uk
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the more useful people the better for everyone
A very grey area, I would advise that the creation of a new structure and a new roof may be considered a new building but realistically who would know? I suppose it all comes down to who will know.
I really shouldn't say that as a Planning Consultant but ....
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
It's a "Triggers broom" question really. If you could source a literally identical building and replace one piece at a time then the only tone it would be 100% new is when the last piece was swapped.
If there was any significant change though, say bigger section steel used or a different roofing material......
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- Location
- Near Beeston Castle
Wrong thread
multi power
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- Location
- pembrokeshire
What is the criteria for a replacement dwelling where there is ruins of a previous cottage, there is no roof, in I think Pembrokeshire, possibly Carmarthenshire
Unfortunately, through personal experience I have discovered that Local Authorities in Wales are more than happy to allow these former dwellings to be reclaimed by the land around them.
I have had pre-apps with both Carmarthenshire (for myself) and Ceredigion (for a client) and both council's flatly refused to consider the sites to have any residential use once the buildings became inhabitable. I tried to argue the historic use and the 'betterment' to rebuild but was flatly knocked back as any residential use would constitute a new dwelling in the countryside which is unacceptable under the NPPF.
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
What would be the situation if you did repair works to make it 'habitable', then apply to extend? Or does a break in use negate that path?
I had that thought but when I asked Carmarthenshire they said once it falls into disrepair and becomes uninhabitable it is no longer a dwelling so any works undertaken would be to a rural building and not to a dwelling
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
sorry, playing devils advocate - assuming one could afford to take the risk - carry out the repairs to make the dwelling habitable, reside there for a short period and then apply - do the planners need to know there was a period when it was uninhabitable?
The burden of proof would be for the local authority to prove in enforcement terms.
If anyone was to attempt this then the magic number is 4 years. After 4 years the use of another building for residential purposes becomes unenforceable and you can seek a Certificate of Lawfulness to make it legal. If the local authority want to be awkward they could say that significant building work has undertaken and you would need to wait 10 years before it becomes lawful.
multi power
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- Location
- pembrokeshire
I suspected that to be the case
Thank you
- Location
- Yorks
Just a theoretical idea for a bit of fun...
I've got a portal frame building adjoining a traditional brick barn. Where the portal frame shed is, there used to be two traditional buildings which joined up to the existing brick barn.
Presumably I don't need planning permission for anything agricultural that is constructed within the portal shed.
So can I build the traditional brick buildings under the portal shed? Then remove the portal shed.
Can't think that that contravenes any rules, but soneone might know better. Thoughts?
I've got a portal frame building adjoining a traditional brick barn. Where the portal frame shed is, there used to be two traditional buildings which joined up to the existing brick barn.
Presumably I don't need planning permission for anything agricultural that is constructed within the portal shed.
So can I build the traditional brick buildings under the portal shed? Then remove the portal shed.
Can't think that that contravenes any rules, but soneone might know better. Thoughts?
The building within a building is always a strange discussion. I believe in Planning terms it would be seen as intentiomally circumventing planning regulations. Do you remember the case where someone build a house in a barn and then took the barn down?
Question is, why would you want to build smaller buildings inside a larger building? Also, I don't see why planning would be refused if you applied to replace a modern, larger building with something smaller and more traditional.